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    1. 10-08-2009 10:57 PM #26
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      Quote Originally Posted by Black_Eagle View Post
      What Exo said in his first post. I'll add that there aren't any plain agnostics out there, only agnostic theists and agnostic atheitsts. It's either you do or do not believe in a deity of some sort. If you "don't know if he does" then you do not believe in a god and are therefore an atheist.
      While the term "agnostic" may not apply, there are those who reject the premise that a God or gods must either exist objectively and to the exclusion of other possibilities or not exist at all. From this perspective, whether theism in general is true or false is not even a meaningful question; only the intellectual honesty and sophistication of individual theisms (or Materialisms, existentialisms, Monisms--any ontology as applied by the individual or community) can be assessed. This skeptical Universalism recognizes the existence of 'true' (i.e. fairly honest and sophisticated) theisms, but rejects the exclusive or absolute truth of any position, making this viewpoint both theistic and atheistic (which is to say, neither), but in no way agnostic.
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    2. 10-12-2009 03:47 PM #27
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      This ground has been covered so many times on this forum. Are you agnostic to the idea of a green teapot revolving around the sun? What about pink unicorns? The FSM? Obviously, nobody can disprove the possiblity of a creator, however, using simple logic it is easy to disprove the existence of the Abrahamic God who is in itself a logical fallacy. Omnipotent is a fallacy. Can he create a rock that he can not move? If he is benevolent, omnipotent and omniscient why do natural disasters occur? Furthermore, the word atheist and agnostic are unecessary. Theists believe a crazy supersition not backed up by evidence and people who do not believe in this theory have a label? That's insane in itself, there a huge amount of wacky theories out there; chakras, spiritual healing and all sorts of new age bollacks. People who don't believe these things don't inherit labels, except for the universal one of skeptic. So in essence there are no atheists, just straight thinking skeptics who do not accept things just because their parents did; they need proof for there beliefs, something you, or any Christian is yet to provide.

      Let me finish by merely pointing out that if you or any other Christian/Muslim/Jew were to provide proof of your God, the only thing he'd get off me is my middle finger, and you'll find that's a common theme between most "atheists", they don't just not believe in your God, they also passionately dislike the imaginary God that your religion has presented.
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    3. 10-12-2009 04:03 PM #28
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      Agnosticism; the belief that humans can never or do not have the capability to comprehend supernatural things such as God.

      Atheists; those that do not believe in God but could still be open to the idea of God given proof.

      Get your definitions straight.

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      Agnosticism (Greek: α- a-, without + γνώσις gnōsis, knowledge; after Gnosticism) is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims — particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of deities, spiritual beings, or even ultimate reality — are unknown or, in some forms of agnosticism, unknowable. It is not a religious declaration in itself, and an agnostic may also be a theist or an atheist.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

      Supernatural is not a requirement for Agnosticism. It can simply refer to not knowing at all.
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    5. 10-12-2009 05:59 PM #30
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      Quote Originally Posted by Photolysis View Post
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

      Supernatural is not a requirement for Agnosticism. It can simply refer to not knowing at all.
      If you are referring to me.. I was just trying to make it pertinent to the thread. I do not think my definition contradicts what you said.

      Either way, Agnosticism isn't "allowing" the possibility of God - it just says we cannot know anything.

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