Thread: Humanizm and perfectionizm; iRant

I completely understand what you are saying. I have a similar humanist philosophy, but I am also one of *those* people that focus more entirely on the individual. All I am born knowing is my self and that which I can see around me, so why should I be forced to live for another with which I don't identify as closely? If someone is in pain and suffering, it is 99% of the time self-inflicted and it is their problem to deal with.

I disagree that our physical evolution is at a total stop if you consider the brain as physical... We as a species have evolved brains powerful enough to not only invent cures for disease but also powerful enough to teach others the cure. Isn't our tendency to compile and record information the greatest evolutionary trait yet? The way I see it, natural selection has just stumbled upon a set of genes that it still has yet to top, and, considering the time scales involved in evolution, won't be topping for a while.

Originally Posted by Licity

I completely understand what you are saying. I have a similar humanist philosophy, but I am also one of *those* people that focus more entirely on the individual. All I am born knowing is my self and that which I can see around me, so why should I be forced to live for another with which I don't identify as closely? If someone is in pain and suffering, it is 99% of the time self-inflicted and it is their problem to deal with.

I disagree that our physical evolution is at a total stop if you consider the brain as physical... We as a species have evolved brains powerful enough to not only invent cures for disease but also powerful enough to teach others the cure. Isn't our tendency to compile and record information the greatest evolutionary trait yet? The way I see it, natural selection has just stumbled upon a set of genes that it still has yet to top, and, considering the time scales involved in evolution, won't be topping for a while.

Sounds like Satanism is more your route then!

I have only recently been coming to the realisation of individual success, by which I mean the ability to get what you want from your mind and shun what you do not. Most people live their lives with little consciousness of this, and aimlessly chase their desires rather than accepting them as joys. They put their aesthetic interests as Gods before themselves; which as far as both Christian and Satanist are concerned is pretty much unproductive blasphemy. I think they have a name for those types of people, but I don't really know their names. Ironically, it is realising that you worship your 'Satans' that brings you out of that cycle. Nobody can admit that they worship their lusts before themselves, because in order to do so you have to be unaware of it. The Satanist worships themself ultimately among all of the desires they have, although will not hesitate to glorify them as if they were Gods. But in Satanism, you are your own God. In humanism, man is the God. All humanism seems to be to me is a worship of the larger ego, which is effectively collective Satanism. And... so far I have seen nothing wrong with this.

I think that we will have surpassed the very need for genes before even the retard population begins to rise in our blood!

Originally Posted by Idolfan

Sounds like Satanism is more your route then!

I have only recently been coming to the realisation of individual success, by which I mean the ability to get what you want from your mind and shun what you do not. Most people live their lives with little consciousness of this, and aimlessly chase their desires rather than accepting them as joys. They put their aesthetic interests as Gods before themselves; which as far as both Christian and Satanist are concerned is pretty much unproductive blasphemy. I think they have a name for those types of people, but I don't really know their names. Ironically, it is realising that you worship your 'Satans' that brings you out of that cycle. Nobody can admit that they worship their lusts before themselves, because in order to do so you have to be unaware of it. The Satanist worships themself ultimately among all of the desires they have, although will not hesitate to glorify them as if they were Gods. But in Satanism, you are your own God. In humanism, man is the God. All humanism seems to be to me is a worship of the larger ego, which is effectively collective Satanism. And... so far I have seen nothing wrong with this.

I think that we will have surpassed the very need for genes before even the retard population begins to rise in our blood!

I only place myself above everyone else as much as the next guy. It's not so much self-worship as it is happiness-worship. I try to avoid personal suffering, which includes preventing suffering among my friends.

I have no sympathy for those that will place their desires above themselves, how can we possibly desire anything without our mind there to decide so?

Originally Posted by Licity

how can we possibly desire anything without our mind there to decide so?

If I knew the answer to that then I wouldn't be a fucking paedophile

The search for happiness is self worship in a sense. Liken it to the ancients sacrificing things to 'please' God; but did they give a second thought as to whether or not God even needed to be pleased? To worship someone is to be a fulfiler of their desires. Even if you idolise the person, you are doing it unconsciously because you are trying to become like them. That is effectively ego-fornication! Can there be a higher form of worship? The types of animal sacrifice and such are proof as to how worshipping ties in with gratification. There is also a difference between self worship and self trust. Somebody could be as independant as anything but still not seek to gratify themselves - when you worship yourself you chase after your own gratification.

And I don't see anything wrong with that unless you are irresponsible or selfish.

I'm not even sure if I can agree or disagree

I have a completely different understanding of the word 'perfect' or perfection. Usually people use this word to mean something that does not need change. The logic is, if it's perfect it doesn't need to change.

So people conclude that if there is a heaven, it never changes. Then they also conclude, that because it never changes it's boring. And now we end up in this weird loopy argument, because if it's boring, how could it also be perfect?

I define perfect as something completely different. Perfect is movement. Perfect is change. Perfect is a promise that stagnant closed systems will always collapse. Perfect is the absolute freedom of energy to take on a new form. Perfect is constant evolution. Perfect is the law of action and reaction, free will and release from free will.

Earth is in a perfect system, the Universe. The Universe is perfect, because there it's nothing its teeny tiny inhabits could ever do to harm it, let alone dent it. Because there is nothing it's teeny tiny inhabits could ever do to stop the Universe to continue it's great expansion, which created everything that we are.

Consider the human being. Consider our body. Consider our brains. All the essence of the Universe. Consider religion telling us we are the image of God. Well, we are the Universe. We are the stuff of stars. Religion says we can't help but wonder and worship God. Culturally, we can't help but wonder and worship our Universe. We even do so through science.

The point that I'm getting at here, look at the concept of Perfect. Considering that every thought, ever concept, every idea, is of the Universe.....then maybe the word Perfect is a description of the very Universe that gave us life. The word Perfect is then defined by our Universe.

What is our Universe like?

The Universe is always evolving. It's always changing, but at the same time there is also dances in the universe that are so long, to us mere humans they are eternal. The movement of our Sun around the Milky Way is balanced. It's stable. It's like a foundation. But at the same time, it will eventually change. A stable evolution.

In the Universe, energy can not be destroyed. It can only be transformed. Lower states of energy CAN ALWAYS transform into higher states of energy.

Why is it so important that lower states of energy can always be transformed, no matter what? Because EVERYTHING is energy! This is even more important if you believe in a soul. The lower the state the soul is the more 'evil' it is to our human experience.

But up there in 'heaven', there is no 'evil'. There is only lower states of energy that can be transformed into higher states of energy. This means there is no true evil. This means, religiously speaking, there is always salvation at hand

Our Perfect Universe does not know fear. Because no matter how bad things get, they can always change. In essence, bad and good becomes relative to the extremes of the Universe.

Oxygen was once a poisonous. It was 'bad'. Lifeforms change and adapt. Now they breathe in the poison, now it's 'good'. Oxygen didn't change. It didn't need to. Life forms changed. Life forms are perfect. Inherit in them is the gift of change.

Perfect promises to destroy anything that stops growth and change. Things decay if they remain as they are. Cultures, cities, religions....all will crumble. All will be destroyed if they remain stagnant. Humanity is not above this law.

What about diseases? Look up biology of belief. We might very well be creating our own diseases. There is no point in me reiterating it, but it puts up a strong scientific based argument why our bodies are already naturally equipped to overcome disease

Look at the suffering in the world. Look at poverty, look at war victims. These things were created. These things can be uncreated.

The problem with humanity is we think Perfect is a static state of being. We think perfect means there can't be any pain, or any suffering. Well.....too bad. That's not the way the Universe is.

You can idealize all day on how things should have been, white bitch and complain. Or you can accept the nature of the Universe. You can accept that nothing will last forever. You can accept change. And even rejoice when you are freed from old decaying systems.