Thread: Homosexuality

Basically sin is about morals. Now I ask you, in your heart, do you believe that if there is a god is it a force of nature like lightning and thunder, or rather a creature that has human morals?

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Basically sin is about morals. Now I ask you, in your heart, do you believe that if there is a god is it a force of nature like lightning and thunder, or rather a creature that has human morals?

Certainly the former.
But many would say the latter.
That shows us just how much we can trust us hearts.

I'm a Roman Catholic, and I can try to explain why Roman Catholics, at least, view the acts of homosexuality as sinful.

First, we believe that marriage is sacred. A man and a woman get married, and they make babies. Hooray. This was instituted by God (Adam and Eve, etc.), and Jesus said some things about marriage, too. I can't remember them verbatim, and I don't feel like looking them up, but I do know that they were specifically about heterosexual relationships. This is why premarital sex, etc. is bad. No marriage. Also, marriage should be entered into with the expectation that babies are a possibility. (No celibate marriages, lol.)

Second, in order for sex not to be sinful, there needs to be two things: pleasure and the possibility of creating life. Sex without pleasure (rape, etc.) is sinful, and sex without the possibility of creating life is sinful.

The latter is why Roman Catholics (or real ones, at least--not the name-only ones) believe that homosexuality (no pregnancy there), contraception (also no pregnancy), and other things like masturbation (duh) are sinful.

I don't expect this to convince anyone, but I figured that I could at least explain my understanding of why Roman Catholics see homosexual acts as wrong. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.

Ah, so now we know the root of the problem. Question remains as how to best extricate it from society.

Originally Posted by alphabet55

I'm a Roman Catholic, and I can try to explain why Roman Catholics, at least, view the acts of homosexuality as sinful.

First, we believe that marriage is sacred. A man and a woman get married, and they make babies. Hooray. This was instituted by God (Adam and Eve, etc.), and Jesus said some things about marriage, too. I can't remember them verbatim, and I don't feel like looking them up, but I do know that they were specifically about heterosexual relationships. This is why premarital sex, etc. is bad. No marriage. Also, marriage should be entered into with the expectation that babies are a possibility. (No celibate marriages, lol.)

Second, in order for sex not to be sinful, there needs to be two things: pleasure and the possibility of creating life. Sex without pleasure (rape, etc.) is sinful, and sex without the possibility of creating life is sinful.

The latter is why Roman Catholics (or real ones, at least--not the name-only ones) believe that homosexuality (no pregnancy there), contraception (also no pregnancy), and other things like masturbation (duh) are sinful.

I don't expect this to convince anyone, but I figured that I could at least explain my understanding of why Roman Catholics see homosexual acts as wrong. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.

yeah, why is childbearing so motherfucking important?

It's a means of control. All sources of pleasure outside church festivals are strictly prohibited.

Sex is a very powerful form of pleasure. The Catholic church clearly recognise it is important (they would quickly die out otherwise), but it's meant to be the bare minimum, and never for pleasure, only for child raising.

and sex without the possibility of creating life is sinful.

That's not an understanding, that's a statement of belief. We know what Catholics believe, and restating what is already known is useless.

I'd be interested in your rationalisation though. Why is it 'sinful'?

Originally Posted by Photolysis

I'd be interested in your rationalisation though. Why is it 'sinful'?

Hmm...

Personally (outside of what the Catholic church says), I believe that the survival of any species depends upon reproduction. Obviously, then, sex is important. Each member of a species has an obligation to ensure our species' survival by producing a succeeding generation and seeing that it survives. Going further, I believe that each person has an obligation to see that his specific family line continues on (this can also be traced back to keeping the gene pool large for the species).

For example, if half of the remaining gorilla population decided to stop reproducing, then we would say they were driving their species to extinction. And while some might say that the human race has surpassed this need to reproduce, what would happen if everyone in the world felt the same way? The human population would diminish, lessening our species' power over the rest of nature and possibly exposing it more to such things as worldwide pandemics.

So, to betray your family and your species by willfully failing to reproduce is 'sinful'.

Does that make sense?

Originally Posted by alphabet55

Hmm...

Personally (outside of what the Catholic church says), I believe that the survival of any species depends upon reproduction. Obviously, then, sex is important. Each member of a species has an obligation to ensure our species' survival by producing a succeeding generation and seeing that it survives. Going further, I believe that each person has an obligation to see that his specific family line continues on (this can also be traced back to keeping the gene pool large for the species).

For example, if half of the remaining gorilla population decided to stop reproducing, then we would say they were driving their species to extinction. And while some might say that the human race has surpassed this need to reproduce, what would happen if everyone in the world felt the same way? The human population would diminish, lessening our species' power over the rest of nature and possibly exposing it more to such things as worldwide pandemics.

So, to betray your family and your species by willfully failing to reproduce is 'sinful'.

Does that make sense?

Makes sense, but I don't agree with it.

The human race has long surpassed the need to reproduce, and we are seeing some of the detrimental effects of over-population. I'm also afraid that your argument pertaining to humans and the "power over nature" does not hold water. Increasing technological advances will give us more power than ever before. Also, it is through overpopulation that we see an increase in pandemics and disease. More people living in close quarters = less sanitation = more disease = rapid transition of said disease. Not pretty.

I also really don't care much for the bit about "betraying one's family" or "continuing the family line." What if I don't want children?

Originally Posted by alphabet55

Hmm...

Personally (outside of what the Catholic church says), I believe that the survival of any species depends upon reproduction. Obviously, then, sex is important. Each member of a species has an obligation to ensure our species' survival by producing a succeeding generation and seeing that it survives. Going further, I believe that each person has an obligation to see that his specific family line continues on (this can also be traced back to keeping the gene pool large for the species).

For example, if half of the remaining gorilla population decided to stop reproducing, then we would say they were driving their species to extinction. And while some might say that the human race has surpassed this need to reproduce, what would happen if everyone in the world felt the same way? The human population would diminish, lessening our species' power over the rest of nature and possibly exposing it more to such things as worldwide pandemics.

So, to betray your family and your species by willfully failing to reproduce is 'sinful'.

Does that make sense?

Oh no... WHAT HAVE I DONE???

I have BETRAYED MY SPECIES!!!!

DUN DUN DUN DUN

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alas, I am barren!




Alphabet55...

EVERY SINGLE THING YOU SAID IN THAT POST WAS BULLSHIT!!! Yeah, you know what you're right! We will go extinct unless more people reproduce. After all there's only like SEVEN BILLION people left! I guess we'll all fuckin DIE at this rate.

What else did you say? Risk of pandemics? For fuck's sake man! Are you like five!?

And for the last time I have to explain it to this retarded crotch mutilation of an argument. What if everyone made that decision? NOT EVERYBODY WILL MAKE THAT DECISION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HOW THE HELL DO YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN?????????

"Oh honey I'm sorry we're going extinct we forgot to have children!"

????????????????????????????????????????????

I hear this argument from breeders ALL THE CHUFFING TIME. Well if EVERYONE were like that there'd be no one left blahdi blahdi blah drivvel drivvel drivvel fucks. Yeah, NO SHIT. WHAT'S YOUR POINT?

People who think that's a valid argument should probably be classified as sub-human because it's almost impossible to find that within the IQ range of homo sapiens. You scientifically CAN'T be that stupid! You would have to have delusional mental problems to actually believe what you are saying.

This makes my eyes bleed, because if these subhumans do exist, THEY'RE HAVING ALL THE CHILDREN!!!!!! They, if anyone, will POISON the gene pool! Not that genetics makes that much difference with modern education and rationality conditioning, but there's your own argument against you.

The reason I'm so angry is because I am pretty sure you DO NOT believe the things you are saying. It's either because you've been taught it as a common response by the rest of the rabbits Catholics, or it's a last resort of your ego to justify having a small village for your litter.

And finally, to completely shit on anything you hope this has to do with homosexuality, I guess if we shouldn't let gays love each other because they don't shit out other organisms then we should do the same with infertile couples? Fuck you! Go and shag your siblings if you take this seriously.

I swear, nobody put me anywhere near that IDOL who calls himself the pope because I would do things to him so gruesome I would have to kill myself, because I couldn't live with knowing I had that much evil inside of me.

That is all.

Originally Posted by alphabet55

So, to betray your family and your species by willfully failing to reproduce is 'sinful'.

Originally Posted by alphabet55

willfully

How old were you when you decided to be straight?

Just sayin...

More compulsion...

Originally Posted by alphabet55

(No celibate marriages, lol.)

I'm glad you find overpopulation funny (RESOURCES).

Originally Posted by alphabet55

Sex without pleasure (rape, etc.) is sinful.

Asexuals can't get married. Oh, wait... I suppose that's why they become priests?

Originally Posted by alphabet55

sex without the possibility of creating life is sinful.

Just like owning a gun and not fuckin killing someone with it is sinful.

Originally Posted by alphabet55

and other things like masturbation (duh) are sinful.

And wet dreams.

Originally Posted by alphabet55

I don't expect this to convince anyone.

Originally Posted by alphabet55

I figured that I could at least explain my understanding of why Roman Catholics see homosexual acts as wrong.

I hope you then in turn understand that the Vatican is the great whore of Babylon.

You are a gold mine!

This is not an ad hominem attack, merely a statement of fact. Your posts are some of my greatest motivations for shagging as many men as possible. It could possibly be second to the hatred displayed against homosexuals. I do not believe you show hatred, but your 'arguments' are simply of equal magnitude in their encouragement. If you keep posting in this thread you might turn me into a suicide bummer! I have enough problems dealing with my screwed up sexuality as it is without someone trying to chuffin kill me.