Thread: Homosexuality

I see no "God hates condoms" protests whatsoever. Talk about hypocrisy.

Why is it that Christians always seem to refer to "The Homosexual Lifestyle" as if it's some kind of epitome?

Originally Posted by Idolfan

Why is it that Christians always seem to refer to "The Homosexual Lifestyle" as if it's some kind of epitome?

You seem to be contradicting youself there a bit. You are complaining that homosexuality is being thought of as an epitome by Christians, yet you are putting all Christians into a box as all believing the same thing about homosexuals.

And as I said in my last post, I totally accept homosexuals.

Originally Posted by nzguy

You seem to be contradicting youself there a bit. You are complaining that homosexuality is being thought of as an epitome by Christians, yet you are putting all Christians into a box as all believing the same thing about homosexuals.

And as I said in my last post, I totally accept homosexuals.

I don't understand why being able to 'accept' something makes it better. I have a friend who says pretty much the same thing

FRIEND: "Well, I think it's wrong, but I don't mind them doing it as long as it's not around me"
ME: "So you don't think it's wrong then"
FRIEND: "Oh yeah, I think it's wrong for anybody to do, I just don't mind as long as they don't rub it in my face"
ME: "??????????????????"

If you do not approve of something, surely if you had it your way you would stop the practice? If you say no, then that completely destroys the meaning of 'not approving of something'.

Anyway, that aside. No, I obviously did not mean all Christians. I probably should have made it clearer that I meant the few in question, however, having been made to listen to laughable and pathetic generalisations they make about atheists all the time, I figure it is usually most appropriate to speak back to them in generalisations, in case they might not understand.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

I see no "God hates condoms" protests whatsoever. Talk about hypocrisy.

Unfortunately we will never see the day when the 'scriptural literalists' take Genesis Chapter 3 and use it to protest that "God is a liar". And, if they did this they would have far more scriptural backing than protests against homosexuality or condomns.

Fundamentalists can never be expected to be honest because their creed is hypocritical and self defeating from the start.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

If you do not approve of something, surely if you had it your way you would stop the practice? If you say no, then that completely destroys the meaning of 'not approving of something'.

Absolutely not. It doesn't fit with my beliefs, therefore I don't approve of it. However, if two consenting adults choose to practice something that is against my beliefs, it would be pretty arrogant and unfair to put an end to it. That's the difference.

I'm also a little confused as to why you think I should approve of it. I have a right to believe whatever I want to believe, in the same way as you have a right to love whoever you want to love. I have already said that I accept homosexuality. What exactly do you want me to say?

Originally Posted by nzguy

What exactly do you want me to say?

That homosexuality is probably not a choice, and not approving of it is as arbitrary as not approving of marriages between people of different races?

Originally Posted by Mario92

That homosexuality is probably not a choice, and not approving of it is as arbitrary as not approving of marriages between people of different races?

But why would you care whether I approve or not? I applaud homosexuals for having the courage to openly love whoever they are attracted to in a society as judgmental as ours. I wish more people could be like that in other areas of their lives. In fact, I support gay marriage because I don't think its right to discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation - regardless of what my personal opinion is.

Ah. In that case, I take no issue.

Originally Posted by nzguy

Absolutely not. It doesn't fit with my beliefs, therefore I don't approve of it. However, if two consenting adults choose to practice something that is against my beliefs, it would be pretty arrogant and unfair to put an end to it. That's the difference.

I'm also a little confused as to why you think I should approve of it. I have a right to believe whatever I want to believe, in the same way as you have a right to love whoever you want to love. I have already said that I accept homosexuality. What exactly do you want me to say?

I understand what you mean. But I have not said I think you should approve of it.

What I was trying to put my finger on is that it is ironic to accept something you think is wrong. When something is 'wrong', I cannot accept it because it harms people injustifiably, and I can give a reason for why it is wrong. If you cannot give a reason for why homosexuality is wrong, and this is why you accept it, then you've probably shown yourself that you don't believe it is wrong. Instead, you are probably confusing 'right and wrong' with 'ideals and indulgences', which are relative to your own belief system.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

I understand what you mean. But I have not said I think you should approve of it.

What I was trying to put my finger on is that it is ironic to accept something you think is wrong. When something is 'wrong', I cannot accept it because it harms people injustifiably, and I can give a reason for why it is wrong. If you cannot give a reason for why homosexuality is wrong, and this is why you accept it, then you've probably shown yourself that you don't believe it is wrong. Instead, you are probably confusing 'right and wrong' with 'ideals and indulgences', which are relative to your own belief system.

Ah, you're putting words in my mouth there. I never said that I think it is wrong, because no one is harmed through homosexulality. It would be wrong to not accept, or worse, outlaw it because that would harm those who wish to practice it. Do you know what I mean?

I believe that its a choice, and as I posted earlier, I support homosexuals having equal rights. I simply don't approve of it because it goes against my religious beliefs, that's all.

EDIT: Also, congrats on your 1,000th post

Originally Posted by nzguy

Ah, you're putting words in my mouth there. I never said that I think it is wrong, because no one is harmed through homosexulality. It would be wrong to not accept, or worse, outlaw it because that would harm those who wish to practice it. Do you know what I mean?

I believe that its a choice, and as I posted earlier, I support homosexuals having equal rights. I simply don't approve of it because it goes against my religious beliefs, that's all.

EDIT: Also, congrats on your 1,000th post

Wow, out of the triple figures.

I still don't understand why it's against your beliefs unless you take Paul seriously. In which case, there's a good deal of sexism and hocus pocus to go with it.

Originally Posted by nzguy

I believe that its a choice

No one wants to be persecuted or disowned by their family, or tied to the back of a track for a fag drag. Give me a choice, and I would be straight as an arrow. I mean honestly, who in their right mind would choose to be gay? Anyone?

Originally Posted by Rakjavik

No one wants to be persecuted or disowned by their family, or tied to the back of a track for a fag drag. Give me a choice, and I would be straight as an arrow. I mean honestly, who in their right mind would choose to be gay? Anyone?

THIS

Really? Are the gays doing it just to piss off Jesus? How many times must it be said? IT ISN'T A CHOICE. The sooner people understand this, the sooner real progress can be made.

Whoops, poor choice of words

Either way, I support their rights.

Originally Posted by nzguy

Whoops, poor choice of words

Either way, I support their rights.

And I support your straight rights

Originally Posted by Rakjavik

And I support your straight rights

I appreciate that

Originally Posted by Rakjavik

And I support your straight rights

I don't. Not my fault they chose to be straight.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

I don't. Not my fault they chose to be straight.

Nice.

I've already told people, it's so obvious. The people who think it's a choice are all bisexual. Simple as.

"God hates homos" and "Sinners rot in hell" posters abound

I hate it when people use phrases like this. God hates the SIN, NOT the SINNER.

I also don't approve of homosexuality. It goes against my morals and my religious belief but at the same time, i'm not the one to tell someone how to live their life.

Originally Posted by davej

I also don't approve of homosexuality. It goes against my morals and my religious belief but at the same time, i'm not the one to tell someone how to live their life.

It seems silly to me how you pick and choose what parts of your religious text to follow. You discard so much of your religion already yet you aren't willing to discard this one bit? Adding one more part of your book to your ignore list seems like a small price to pay in order to not seem like a douchebag to everyone else around you.

I'm glad you know me sssoooo well Sandform... And sense you obviously know me sssoooo well, please tell me, when in my life as a Christian have i discarded it? What parts of my religion have I discarded? How did I discard those parts of my religion?

Originally Posted by Sandform

It seems silly to me how you pick and choose what parts of your religious text to follow. You discard so much of your religion already yet you aren't willing to discard this one bit? Adding one more part of your book to your ignore list seems like a small price to pay in order to not seem like a douchebag to everyone else around you.

It's fair enough if he doesn't approve of it just so long as Christians aren't trying to get laws made. There is also more in Christian belief other than a few verses that could go against homosexuality. I just never mention them often because I think that all of the reasons can be refuted.

For example, it could be disrupting some kind of 'masculine and feminine energy exchange' or something like that.