Thread: The SSILD test. - 30 days.

Day 2 and 3

Didn't have enough sleep to do it on either days.

Attempts: 1, Lucids: 1

Originally Posted by CosmicIron

Going to bed at 3am is way too late. You need to have sufficient sleep for this thing to work. Even though nowadays I achieve near 100% success rate with this technique I'd not practice it when I go to bed late. It's just too much effort that way and not healthy either.

But I had plenty of sleep, considering I got up at 12pm. That's nine hours.

Didn't plan to start SSILD, but after this day having 3 WILD, I half unconsciously decided to try SSILD, and had 4-5 FA, including a very strange one when I was sleeping next to our dining table, and wake up to eat candies which was all over the table (though I don't really like candies, and we don't even have), I grabbed as much as I could with my arms and started eating one which I think does not even exists.

Day 5

No lucid...I do had a dream where my mom had died. I woke up more than 5 times, and in the dreams that followed she was still dead.

Attempts: 5
Lucid's: 1

Originally Posted by Frobthebuilder

But I had plenty of sleep, considering I got up at 12pm. That's nine hours.

Well, that ought to do something to your sleep cycles... LOL

Day 5

No results, but my bad, I fell asleep pretty quickly again in the middle of cycle 2 at best.

Day 6

No results. I am not going to count this as an attempt since I fell back asleep basically instantly.

Attempts: 5; Lucid Dreams: 2; Non-lucid FAs: 2

One thing odd about the past 3 days: The only times I got to do any decent cycles was before falling asleep the first time for the night. And each night, my first dream after this is a non-lucid dream where I am talking about lucid dreaming or even sort of demonstrating it. I bet I would become lucid during these if it wasn't during the very short 1st REM cycle.

Tonight I will try to stay up for 15 minutes during each awakening so I can get in some decent cycles before falling asleep.

No results for the 8th and 9th day. Too little sleep. Parties and things kept me up. Not drinking parties, just hanging out with friends, so it shouldn't effect my recall or anything tonight. I had about 3 dreams a night in the lack of sleep days. So recall was halved. Couldn't make it through the cycles without falling asleep because of the tiredness.

BUT! I am feeling fine tonight, not too tired. Confidence up! Ready to LD! I am redoing nights 8 and 9 since other factors stopped me from doing them (no sleep) I am moving up my plan to now with no ADA or anything, just SSILD. I haven't done anything for it the last two days, so we shall see.

So tomorrow week 2 starts! I'll compare the 3 weeks and 2 days to the week with ADA. If any of them pass it up, I will probably switch to only SSILD full time. 15 is the number to beat. any of the seven days in a row together will work doesn't have to be part of a week cycle. Hope that makes sense! I am excited now. I am going to bed.

bhkbsflifg! Ugh, I keep getting so close! (I know you're not supposed to do this, but I was just feeling stupid) Last night, right before I went to sleep, I did the SSILD while daydreaming, and I got my mind to start swirling again. I was all like "Wheeeeeee!" And I took someone's advice and attempted to roll over and see if I roll into a dream. Nothing happened, typically. But there's something I don't get: are you supposed to roll physically or mentally, cause I was full-aware that I was awake. I don't get it! D:

Also, every attempt at napping always gets interrupted by construction, my dog, my family, the doorbell... And I tried the binaural waves thing, but that just gave me a headache x_x

Originally Posted by aquafox12

bhkbsflifg! Ugh, I keep getting so close! (I know you're not supposed to do this, but I was just feeling stupid) Last night, right before I went to sleep, I did the SSILD while daydreaming, and I got my mind to start swirling again. I was all like "Wheeeeeee!" And I took someone's advice and attempted to roll over and see if I roll into a dream. Nothing happened, typically. But there's something I don't get: are you supposed to roll physically or mentally, cause I was full-aware that I was awake. I don't get it! D:

Also, every attempt at napping always gets interrupted by construction, my dog, my family, the doorbell... And I tried the binaural waves thing, but that just gave me a headache x_x

You need to be deep in sleep paralysis for that to work It's for OOBE.

Day 5

Alarm got me out of bed about 5 and half hours of sleep. I was ina dream where in some point I said to myself "so this is a dream, huh. But is it a nightmare, or just a dream with some action? Apparently it is just an action story" and then the dream went on. No real licidity arised, but it gets me rhinking I am getting close.

Anyway, Woke myself more fully this time, to the point I wascapable of doing all the cycles without falling asleep. Mind wandered off just a few times and I quickly realized it. While i write this I recalled a dream and apparently it began with a false awakening.

Hey, BrandonBoss, I remember you said you did some conditioning fr waking up after every REM cycle. Do you you feel it affects your sleep? And would you mind sharing how you do it? :p

DILDs: 0, FAs: 1

Originally Posted by aquafox12

And I took someone's advice and attempted to roll over and see if I roll into a dream. Nothing happened, typically. But there's something I don't get: are you supposed to roll physically or mentally, cause I was full-aware that I was awake. I don't get it! D:

The one time I successfully rolled out of bed, into an "OOBE", it was in-between mental rolling and physical rolling. It was basically trying to shift your weight without actually moving your body. As a kid, maybe you remember doing that for fun or something. (I know I did)

So anyway, if I were to say how to do it, I'd say 'anticipate your rolling over, and try to do so as hard as you can without ending up actually moving, at least, not more than an inch or so'. You just want to get that feeling of weightiness on one side, of your muscles pulling in that direction but not hard enough to actually turn you over. I've only had one "OOBE", though, so maybe that's not how it feels for most people.

Once I did the above, with a bit more effort I got my dream body to roll off the bed, and yet felt that it wasn't strong enough to have moved me if I was actually awake. So I think dream movements require less will-power to be realized, so you can take advantage of this and keep yourself from accidentally rolling off the bed while you're still awake.

Originally Posted by CosmicIron

Well, that ought to do something to your sleep cycles... LOL

Maybe. I think it's good to mix it up every once in a while. No matter. I'll be going to bed at 10 tonight.

Originally Posted by Venryx

The one time I successfully rolled out of bed, into an "OOBE", it was in-between mental rolling and physical rolling. It was basically trying to shift your weight without actually moving your body. As a kid, maybe you remember doing that for fun or something. (I know I did)

So anyway, if I were to say how to do it, I'd say 'anticipate your rolling over, and try to do so as hard as you can without ending up actually moving, at least, not more than an inch or so'. You just want to get that feeling of weightiness on one side, of your muscles pulling in that direction but not hard enough to actually turn you over. I've only had one "OOBE", though, so maybe that's not how it feels for most people.

Once I did the above, with a bit more effort I got my dream body to roll off the bed, and yet felt that it wasn't strong enough to have moved me if I was actually awake. So I think dream movements require less will-power to be realized, so you can take advantage of this and keep yourself from accidentally rolling off the bed while you're still awake.

Ooooohhh, ok. I've never actually been in SP, but I have experienced hypnogogia while still awake. However, that only lasted for like, three seconds :I How exactly would you describe SP? Cause I've felt numb and tingly before, but it's not like I was cemented in one place.

Originally Posted by aquafox12

Ooooohhh, ok. I've never actually been in SP, but I have experienced hypnogogia while still awake. However, that only lasted for like, three seconds :I How exactly would you describe SP? Cause I've felt numb and tingly before, but it's not like I was cemented in one place.

SP is when you can't move your body because it is paralyzed. Numb and tingly feelings are just the feelings of falling asleep. SP occurs as soon as you enter REM. So on initial sleep you can only enter SP after the first 85 min. After that it just all depends on when you fall asleep, when you wake up. Naps you usually go right into REM after you fall asleep, unless you wait a long time in the day before taking the nap.

Day 8 (for real this time)
NO LDs.

Remembered every dream I had through the night, but I need to get up for a second before I do my cycles, I am falling asleep halfway through. Not a good thing if I am only using this tech. I have noted problem though, and I will fix tonight! lucidity tonight! yay!

Day 7

No results, but my attempts weren't as good as I hoped, but I am getting better at finding a balance for how long to stay up beforehand. I also realized that all this time I haven't been making it to the long cycles which is evidently the most important part.

Nights attempted: 6; Lucid Dreams: 2; Non-lucid FAs: 2

Originally Posted by BrandonBoss

SP is when you can't move your body because it is paralyzed. Numb and tingly feelings are just the feelings of falling asleep. SP occurs as soon as you enter REM. So on initial sleep you can only enter SP after the first 85 min. After that it just all depends on when you fall asleep, when you wake up. Naps you usually go right into REM after you fall asleep, unless you wait a long time in the day before taking the nap.

Day 8 (for real this time)
NO LDs.

Remembered every dream I had through the night, but I need to get up for a second before I do my cycles, I am falling asleep halfway through. Not a good thing if I am only using this tech. I have noted problem though, and I will fix tonight! lucidity tonight! yay!

If you run into the "falling asleep halfway" situation, you should definitely do RCs upon each awakening because FAs are very likely to occur.

Day 4 and 5

I got lazy on Day 4 and just went straight back to sleep after WBTB. Didn't get enough sleep on Day 5.

Attempts: 1, Lucids: 1

Day 31

No time, no attempt, no result.

Attempts: 14, Lucids: 8, OBE's: 1, FA's: 17, HI's: 2

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Day 32 - A

This one was odd. I still don't know exactly what happened. But it involved at least some lucid dreaming, (the part where I plugged my nose and could still breath and thus opened my eyes), so I'm going to count it as a lucid no matter what the rest was.

Has anyone else had this happen to them? (details below, but basically, seeming to see the real world while feeling a dream body)

Here's the account: Lucid Dream 36 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Attempts: 15, Lucids: 9, OBE's: 1, FA's: 17, HI's: 2

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Day 32 - B

Another lucid and at least three more false awakenings. (I forgot most of the dream, due to dream layering and distractions on waking up)

Here's the account: Lucid Dream 37 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Attempts: 16, Lucids: 10, OBE's: 1, FA's: 20, HI's: 2

Originally Posted by Venryx

Day 31 - A

This one was odd. I still don't know exactly what happened. But it involved at least some lucid dreaming, (the part where I plugged my nose and could still breath and thus opened my eyes), so I'm going to count it as a lucid no matter what the rest was.

Has anyone else had this happen to them? (details below, but basically, seeming to see the real world while feeling a dream body)

Here's the account: Lucid Dream 36 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Attempts: 15, Lucids: 9, OBE's: 1, FA's: 17, HI's: 2

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Day 31 - B

Another lucid and at least three more false awakenings. (I forgot most of the dream, due to dream layering and distractions on waking up)

Here's the account: Lucid Dream 37 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Attempts: 16, Lucids: 10, OBE's: 1, FA's: 20, HI's: 2

Here is a post I published a while ago, which should give you some ideas on your first question: http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...ind-ssild.html

The intermediary state mentioned in that post can produce very interesting result. The most significant one being that you can see both the real world AND your dream body at the same time! Also you can control both the physical and dream bodies at the same time. This is a very dramatic effect to say the least.

Very interesting...

I read it once before, but having experienced something similar makes me take the theory more seriously/appreciate its implications more. It seems that there is something special about this technique, producing results that are similar to WILDs, but without the direct entry, as well as some special results of its own.

Day 6

Naturally woke up, went to the bathroom and exposed myself to some light. As I was going back to bed, I thought "wait, I have barely been up for 3 minutes. And I can clearly feel that if I lay down now I will be sleeping before the second quick cycle is over" than I got up again, turned the lights on in my bedroom and came to Dreamviews. Here I saw Matt1 talking about doing the cycles in a chair to make sure they are done. I realized that yesterday, when I did all the cycles, ws the first time I had a False Awakening, so I decided to give his idea a shot.

So I did all the cycles sitting on a chair, and then went to my bed. However, once I got to my bed I became to lazy for doing the cycles. Even the quick cycles. I simply couldn't find the motivation for spending more time doing that. Besides, my thoughts were a little aggitated. Anyway, I forced myself to do couple more of cycles just to relax myself into sleep, and quickly became asleep.

Then I had a False Awakening. But I woke sitting on my chair, pretty tired. My hands were funny, like some fingers getting invisible every once in a while and having the sensation I could cross one hand through the other. I decided to do a nose-plug (something I have never done before) to see whether I was dreaming or just hallucinating out of tiredness. I did the RC, but paid no attention to the result and immediately close my eyes to get some sleep. The moment I closed my dream eyes, I opened my real ones and found myself laying on my bed. Too tired to do any other cycles, I just got back to sleep. Then I had one long, vivid dream. Funny thing, somewhen during the dream I was talking to my girlfriend and I told her about my false awakening.

So that's it. I think the chair idea may be good after all. I am also with the sensation there is still something lacking in my practice for me to attain lucidity. I am getting closer, evidently, but I still have not been capable of getting there. Maybe I need more time, or maybe I just need to find a missing piece. Who knows?

DILDs: 0, FAs: 2

You were close. To get within a dream and do a reality check, you were just one step away. Just resolve that whenever you do a reality check, (I suggest the nose-plug one), you will be sure to check the result. If you had done this ahead of time, that would have been a lucid dream almost for sure.

Day 8
Lucid last night. Didn't last too long. I think it was the end or a REM cycle, no stabilizing worked and I wasn't "excited".

2nd set
lucids: 1

You were close. To get within a dream and do a reality check, you were just one step away. Just resolve that whenever you do a reality check, (I suggest the nose-plug one), you will be sure to check the result. If you had done this ahead of time, that would have been a lucid dream almost for sure.

I feel like I am getting closer and closer. First, dream vividness and recall improved. Then I began talking about lucid dreams every now and then during my dreams. Now I have been having some more false awakenings and ultimately have even been considering the possibility of being on a dream while I am dreaming. Though lucidity has yet to be attained, I am pretty happy with SSILD.

The only thing is that I keep constantly asking myself whether I have been getting closer to lucidity thanks to sheer practice, or maybe I have begun adding new things that are helping and I still am not aware pf them. Maybe there still is something lacking for me? Anyway, I will keep trying and eventually everything will fall right into place. Thanks for the support.