Thread: A written abstract journal

Originally Posted by phoenelai

okay I think I'd like to get in on this or learn it. How do you do this? Is this a free form word association lyrical explosion! teach me! inquiring minds want to know

Originally Posted by Man of Steel

I think Howie explained it pretty well in his second post in this topic. Go read the first page, you'll see. Basically, you just clear your mind completely, then type out whatever random words or thoughts that enter your head for a certain amount of time, or until you run out of thoughts. Like I'm about to do..

WOW - That was two years ago. wholly crap!
The Idea>
To relax and meditate until you have random thoughts in your head. No noises no interruptions. I am not going to focus on any particular thought. I will not think about what I am thinking. Just write!
The draw backs are that I cannot type well and I have to keep my eyes open to do so. (EDIT) DO NOT have eyes open.What I did when I reached the state of consciousness I was after was to just give a blank stare at the monitor and let the thoughts flow.
The outcome>
Hopefully upon looking back at what I wrote I may be able to extract some useful information much like you would from hypnagogic imagery.
I would like to add to that. I think I may have through out the process.
This process works best IMO if you are half awake or half asleep. You can use mediation to get to a similar stage. However when you are very tired or you're just waking up, our subconscious is very close at hand. In the correct environment as I explained above, you will be relaxed and abstract random thoughts will come, as the act of thinking is a natural one. The difference is that these thoughts will be random, abstract obscure and even vague. Compared to that of a waking state where ones mind can function on a different level, thought processing on a different level.
Don't worry about cognitive skills, typing spelling, grammar, what you are saying. Just do. Let the subconscious do the talking. To be too cognizant defeats the purpose. Our waking mind quickly wants to take over the actions of thinking once we let it.

Originally Posted by Man of Steel

Yeah, I've got some pretty confused responses in chat.
Me and CoLd_BlooDed, Mark75, Amethyst Star and sometimes others do this every now and then, usually in pairs. Sometimes we'll sort of base ours off of the other's, kind of associate them. We can get some pretty crazy stuff going.

It's a bit different than what we're aiming for here, though, I think. I'll go through what I posted yesterday and see if I can make any sense of any of it. See above

Wow, I had never thought of bringing more people in on a similar idea. that's cool.
It's interesting reading others replies. You read it and wonder what is really going on inside their head.

Thanks you guys for giving me cause to look back at some of my steps. Not too many members have been involved in this Abstract journal. Therefore I kind of just kept going as if it was a regular dream journal.
Over this period I have gotten to the point that I keep my eyes closed. I think I also may go as far as to put some foam ear plugs in. If you look back you can see how many times that noise has interrupted the flowing thought process.
Maybe no external input is best, noise site or even smell.

Thanks guys this is really cool. One last question if you were to wake up you could type some dream recall fragments but it doesn't have to be all dream recall, what ever pops in the brain too? I can see how this can help with dream recall as well in that respect although.

Amazing!

Originally Posted by phoenelai

Thanks guys this is really cool. One last question if you were to wake up you could type some dream recall fragments but it doesn't have to be all dream recall, what ever pops in the brain too? I can see how this can help with dream recall as well in that respect although.

Amazing!

phoenelai, my renderings are not based around my dreams. Because I often do this first thing in the morning, some of my dream content I do see leak out into my writing.
I see it as exercising your subconscious. Doing this anytime of the day would be worth the while.. I think.

like you say, "I can see how this can help with dream recall."
If our subconscious is exercised it surely could help dream recall.

I am a strong believer in the subconscious. Although I feel it is part of the consciousness as a whole, I feel it works on it's own level and sometimes on its own accord.
I feel that the subconscious is at work with many things in our daily lives while fully awake. Recognizing when it has an influence can be very strong. At the same time not impeding it's process may be just as paramount.

Originally Posted by Howie

phoenelai, my renderings are not based around my dreams. Because I often do this first thing in the morning, some of my dream content I do see leak out into my writing.
I see it as exercising your subconscious. Doing this anytime of the day would be worth the while.. I think.

like you say, "I can see how this can help with dream recall."
If our subconscious is exercised it surely could help dream recall.

I am a strong believer in the subconscious. Although I feel it is part of the consciousness as a whole, I feel it works on it's own level and sometimes on its own accord.
I feel that the subconscious is at work with many things in our daily lives while fully awake. Recognizing when it has an influence can be very strong. At the same time not impeding it's process may be just as paramount.

Thanks Howie, although Dreamviews has many great things to offer it's not too often I find something new and to say "interesting". This is no offense to anyone throwing out new methods etc, everyone sharing it's a great thing but I feel some of them are just rehashed or tweaked a bit different and given a new name etc.

And this idea is not a lucid induction technique per say but I agree with you when it comes to the subconscious. I mean look at all the different spirituality methods that deal with the subconscious. Even just psychology itself, there's allot to do with subconscious training. It has a big part of us as human beings. Obviously dreams have quite a bit to do with the subconscious. I think this could open many new doors.

Any way with that being said, I will start my own abstract journal; and thanks again for posting here at DV.

Cool, I'm glad you are starting your own abstract journal. Over all I feel this journal has been more advantageous than my dream journal. It has not helped with regards to recall but it is not really meant for that purpose.

One reason I love lucid dreaming is because you are consciously viewing the subconscious in action.
When someone is so worried about taking control over their lucid dreams they are in one sense taking that away. You consciously make your own actions instead of navigating through a great experience that is right in front of our eyes. We as people are sometimes so fixated on control that we loose sight of other things.
Anyways thanks for your input and happy times mingling with your subconscious!

Originally Posted by Howie

Cool, I'm glad you are starting your own abstract journal. Over all I feel this journal has been more advantageous than my dream journal. It has not helped with regards to recall but it is not really meant for that purpose.

One reason I love lucid dreaming is because you are consciously viewing the subconscious in action.
When someone is so worried about taking control over their lucid dreams they are in one sense taking that away. You consciously make your own actions instead of navigating through a great experience that is right in front of our eyes. We as people are sometimes so fixated on control that we loose sight of other things.
Anyways thanks for your input and happy times mingling with your subconscious!

Thanks agreed. I think we do get wrapped up into having them. I think dreams in general are fun as well. I think this is the right step into many other things. I'll be having lots of fun with this!!!