Thread: A.E.P Experiment (Accuracy of Ethereal Projections)

Perhaps. I could always do prelims with and without the top being closed, just to see if it has any effects. Its true, the last one of these types of experiments I did, I didnt have to move or "change" anything to see the object, but this time I do.

You could just use a box with one transparent side (glass or plastic foil) and shake it at an angle where you can't see the dice. You could then leave it on the floor or on a table next to a light source so you can se clearly.

I bought the box at a hobby store for a buck, but when I was there I saw a few boxes that had one tranparent side, also for a buck. Maybe it would be worth buying one, what do you think?

Originally Posted by ethen

I bought the box at a hobby store for a buck, but when I was there I saw a few boxes that had one tranparent side, also for a buck. Maybe it would be worth buying one, what do you think?

Sure, or just open the cover after the shaking while your eyes are shut, and then you can save a buck.

enough with your '' rationality ''



























kidding. I suppose that would work fine. But still, it would be nice to have such a box for this experiment...plus its only dollar for a professional grade ethereal-projection-dice-box

I think it's a good idea to buy the one with the transparent side, it's just 1 buck and you won't have to be looking away while you uncover the box and put a lamp over it. Plus it's a more professional attitude towards your experiment.

I see that one of the problems your experiment has is that it is possible for you to guess correctly out of luck. How about if there was no way you could know what was behind the card? Just get a friend to draw a simple figure on a piece of paper and stick it on a window like you did with cards on your last experiment. That way, even if what you see while in OBE is fluid/ unstable there is no way you could have guessed out of luck.

I have never had an OBE, so I can't experiment on my own, but I look forward to your results.

So I did go buy that box yesterday. I also changed a few things about the experiment to better suit this new way of seeing the dice. First, I moved the location of the box from my windowsill to a shelf next to a lamp (its one of those tall one's with three individual lamps on it). I replaced one of the bulbs with a 7.5 watt night-light bulb, which then lights up the box at night without keeping me awake.

Early this morning I once again attempted to do a few preliminary runs, which I’m glad I did because I ran into a few problems. I ended up having two lucid dreams instead of OBEs, but both involved doing this experiment. After setting up the box and everything, I set the saltcube timer and went to bed. In the first lucid dream I had, I went to the box to see what number was on the die. It looked like a 2, but it was rather unstable and the more I tried to focus on it, the more unstable it became, and as a result, the more it looked like a 3. Any who, the actual number was a 4, which didn’t surprise me because it wasn’t until I had awoken that I noticed that in the dream, the box was out in the hall way instead of in my room and on the shelf. Clearly I didn’t attain a sufficient level of lucidity to do the experiment properly.

I wrote down the results, put in another die (making it two dice in the box), shook the box up, and went back to bed. Like the first, the second lucid dream I had wasn't as clear or "whole" as I wanted it to be. In the dream I looked in the box and saw a 6. I woke up and the number was a 6, but then I got into a fight with my fiancé about some nonsense when I realized that I had just experienced a false awakening, and was still dreaming. I then woke up for real, went over to the box to find a 3 and a 6. Again, though I got one number right, I wasn’t lucid enough to remember that I put two dice in instead of one.

Conclusion, I need more practice before moving on to the actual experiment.


thafrenchman, on one had I know what you’re saying about making the picture something I can't get right by chance... but on the other hand I know that I don't need such drastic measures to produce reliable results. One of the benefits of using dice is that, unlike what you propose, the odds can be calculated because there are actual numeric values being worked with. This basically means that I can quantify my results using dice, which is very important.

And even though I could get a few numbers right by luck, in the long run (over the span of numerous trials), it will become clear whether my results can be explained by chance alone, or if they suggest something more. 1/6 is the probability of getting a number right by chance, meaning that for every 6 trials (where only one die is being used per trial), odds are that I should get roughly 1 right by chance alone. Of course, I could get more or less than that right in only six trials, but if I do many more trials, my results should average out to be about 1 success out of every 6 trials...unless there is something else going on.

This is why I want to use as many dice as I can manage per trial. If I used two dice instead of one, Ill have twice the data to work with. Or, if I could use 6 dice at a time, I would have the same amount of data to work with in only 2 trials, as I would with 12 single-die trials. Hell, the box can hold 9 dice, it would be ideal if I could take advantage of that so that I don't have to have hundreds of OBEs to get credible results.

I’m aiming for 120 individual sets of data, which could either be 120 single-die trials, 60 2-dice trials, 40 3-dice trials, 30 4-dice trials, 20 6-dice trials, etc. But first I need to know how many dice I can manage at a time, which is why I’m doing the preliminary trials.

Originally Posted by baufyafa

I could always do prelims with and without the top being closed, just to see if it has any effects. Its true, the last one of these types of experiments I did, I didn't have to move or "change" anything to see the object, but this time I do.

Originally Posted by ethen

...I could always do prelims with and without the top being closed, just to see if it has any effects. Its true, the last one of these types of experiments I did, I didn't have to move or "change" anything to see the object, but this time I do.

Anyway, I acquired the materials needed. I have a better setup than before. The container has a black base but otherwise it completely transparent which allows for good light. The die is a cube that has different colored sides: Neon Green, Neon Orange, Blue, Red, Black, and White. I had experimented with all sorts of combinations of neon and regular colors and this combo seems to produce the most contrast in both hue and value. Tonight, if I manage to LD/EP/leave my body and do the first trial successfully, tomorrow I will post the results.

Alright, so the serious trials will begin soon. I recently started a new work schedule that may give me a great opportunity to EP each day (in the daytime), whereas before I was simply trying to it at 4am. I will keep you posted with results (may take some time to get back into the stride of things)

As it turns out, I have been using this free time so far to do some Christmas shopping, went to the dentist today, and in general it seems to be a great time to get things done that simply need to get done as an adult living on earth.

But it's OK, because I have at least one whole day a week (where I can totally screw up my sleep schedule if I need to) to attempt to LD without it affecting my day to day life, nor cutting into my weekend playtime.

Seeing as there is a necessity to compromise here, giving myself a set day to try will not only allow me to get other things done, it will also keep me more motivated/focused as compared to thinking I can "just try again tomorrow..."

So, seeing as I will be doing these trials late Thursday night/ early Friday morning, each Friday afternoon check back for my results. I will post weekly here (even if it's the trial was a complete failure to LD).

OK, so I used the Lucidweaver timer last night/this morning in my attempts to project. The alarm was scheduled to go off 3 sleep cycles after going to bed, and then every 90 minutes thereafter, 3 alarms (one every 12 minutes) would go off so that I could Rhythmic Nap my way into several projections. The only problem was that my damn cell phone paused the application at some point during the night because of inactivity...which totally squandered this opportunity.

I'm actually very disappointed right now, I may try again tonight/tomorrow morning but I hate messing with my sleep schedule before having to go back to work for the week.

Wait... that doesn't make sense... your cell phone alarm has a repetitive sleep timer function that paused when it went inactive?

App fail?

Lucidweaver is an application I downloaded onto my phone that allows multiple alarms to be set in accordance to your rhythmic napping needs. I set this alarm to go off after my first 3 sleep cycles (about 270 minutes after I went to bed). It was then supposed to go off 3 separate times, 12 minutes apart, on the onset of each sleep cycle there after.

Here's what actually happened. I woke up around 6-7 am on my own. Naturally I was confused by the daylight I could see through my blinds because I was expecting to wake up around 3-4 am to the sound of an alarm. I walked over to my phone and it was in standby (the screen was no longer displaying). I got it active again and there was a message that said "the application has been suspended due to inactivity, do you wish to resume?"

So basically what seemed to have happened is that, because the phone was inactive for so long, it went into a sort of "hibernation" like a computer might if inactive long enough...and in the process it interrupted the alarm application.

I will most likely use the saltcube timer from here on out (from saltcube.com) seeing as it can do everything lucidweaver can (and more) but it will require the use of my computer which is less convenient that my cell phone.

Funny, seems as though you've made about as much progress in your attempts to prove OBEs as I have! Granted...I only tried a few times a few years ago, and gave up mostly out of frustration and a desire to do more interesting things with my LDs/OBEs than trying to read a playing card.

However, some things have changed...so I might be starting up my own experiment soon...though it will be quite different. I plan to involve other people, because usually I have trouble being convinced of something until another person can verify it. I'll post when I have the details smoothed out.