Thread: A.E.P Experiment (Accuracy of Ethereal Projections)

I am designing an experiment, its purpose to examine if I, as an individual, am able to accurately perceive an object by means other than my five physical senses. Therefore in this experiment I will be perceiving an object via “out-of-body experiences”, more specifically “Ethereal Projections”.

There will be a total of 12 trials, and each trial will consist of the following routine:

1.) I will place a single die in a small wooden box, and then latch the lid shut.

2.) I will then proceed to shake the box for five (5) consecutive seconds, allowing the die to settle on an unknown value between 1 and 6.

3.) I will place the box on the windowsill next to my bed and proceed to induce an OBE.

4.) While out of body, I will open the box and “look” at the value of the die.

5.) After coming to, and without picking up or otherwise moving the box, I will open it and note the actual value of the die.

6.) I will then record the data here and in my journal.

7.) I shall repeat this sequence of steps until all 12 trials have been completed

8.) After step 7 is satisfied, I will then calculate the overall probabilities of my results

Assuming the law of probability, ideally 12 trials should produce 2 “hits” simply by chance (1/6 x 12 trials = 2 matches, where 1/6 equals the probability of matching a number by chance). Thus, should my findings produce significantly more matches (or “hits”) than 2, the experiment would suggest the existence of some sort of sensory perception other than that which can be accounted for by the five senses currently recognized by the scientific community.


I don’t want to get too far ahead of myself, but should this experiment go smoothly, I expect that I will repeat it to ensure more reliable results. For supplementary information, click here

You may have a problem to see it because it's dark inside the box. Better open the cover after you shake the box ( maybe while you wear a mask to hide all sight ) and put it in a location where you can't see which number it is unless you go over to it and look from above.

Well, I was going to open the box while out of body. Perhaps I should do a few preliminary trials so that I dont run into any unexpected problems mid-experiment.

Also, I think I am going to do a few of this preliminary runs and see how many dice would be the most effective, instead of just using one. Ideally I could do 6 dice per trial, but remembering a 6-digit number while out of body may be too difficult. I think ill do the following:

Prelim 1.) 1 die

Prelim 2.) 2 dice

Prelim 3.) 3 dice

Prelim 4.) 4 dice

Prelim 5.) 6 dice

not only to see how many dice I can effectively use per trial, but also for a little practice before the real thing.

Originally Posted by ethen

Well, I was going to open the box while out of body. Perhaps I should do a few preliminary trials so that I dont run into any unexpected problems mid-experiment.

well, you can't "physically" open the box while OOB because your hands will go through it.
Maybe you can paranormally see into the box, but it will still be dark. In any case I think you are adding here an unnecessary difficulty by keeping the box closed.

Perhaps. I could always do prelims with and without the top being closed, just to see if it has any effects. Its true, the last one of these types of experiments I did, I didnt have to move or "change" anything to see the object, but this time I do.

You could just use a box with one transparent side (glass or plastic foil) and shake it at an angle where you can't see the dice. You could then leave it on the floor or on a table next to a light source so you can se clearly.

Originally Posted by baufyafa

I could always do prelims with and without the top being closed, just to see if it has any effects. Its true, the last one of these types of experiments I did, I didn't have to move or "change" anything to see the object, but this time I do.

Originally Posted by ethen

...I could always do prelims with and without the top being closed, just to see if it has any effects. Its true, the last one of these types of experiments I did, I didn't have to move or "change" anything to see the object, but this time I do.

Anyway, I acquired the materials needed. I have a better setup than before. The container has a black base but otherwise it completely transparent which allows for good light. The die is a cube that has different colored sides: Neon Green, Neon Orange, Blue, Red, Black, and White. I had experimented with all sorts of combinations of neon and regular colors and this combo seems to produce the most contrast in both hue and value. Tonight, if I manage to LD/EP/leave my body and do the first trial successfully, tomorrow I will post the results.

In the mean time, here is a pic of the two setups I currently have.



The large setup on the left I actually haven't used yet because the dry spell started just before I could. I made this out of a glass bowl and taped cardboard to the bottom (clearly spared no expense with the making of this). I made this because I figured that the larger the cube is, the less it will be distorted by the nature of an OBE.

The small setup on the right is the original setup I have used to produce the results I currently have. Both cubes have the same colors on them (Red, Black, White, Neon Orange, Neon Green, and Blue). As you can see, with this one I used a light lavender backdrop to help contrast the cube from what it was sitting on, where as I used just the natural color of the cardboard for the larger one. From the looks of this picture, I am wondering if I should make the larger one also have that same shade of color...In real life the difference in contrasting quality is not as drastic as this picture makes it out to be.

I put the setup in the kitchen where I can keep it lit 24/7 without interfering with our sleep (don't want to deprive the wifey of her sleep...hell hath no fury and etc.) I moved it from the stove where it used to be because this light, though garish, is brighter and whiter. The other light was more yellowish and distorted what the colors looked like in the otherwise dim lighting. I am not sure if that will make any difference when it comes to the OBEs, but might as well do as much as I can to set myself up with success.

So I was able to get a good trial in. I had one WBTB followed by 3-4 DEILDs. The first one did not produce a good observation of the cube (couldn't tell if it was black or blue) so I ended up discarding that trial.

I had a second LD not long after the first. It looked green (again...lol). But, even though it was clear enough to where I could see the color, it was not as good quality as I wanted it. The place I was in seemed similar to my apartment but was definiately not my apartment. I decided to enjoy the rest of this LD with a little bit of exploration, sex, etc. On an unrelated note, there is nothing more frustrating that waking up before being able to climax...and this happens every time to me I try to "get some" in an LD. I don't even know why I still try

The 3rd LD was more stable, still not the correct apartment but when I looked at the cube it was clearer and it was green again. I took this as a confirmation of the previous LD. I woke up and checked the actual cube, but it was white side up. Around this time it was starting to get light out, and so I decided to use the rest of the morning's LDs for recreation.

Summary

Trial 1:
OBE = Green, Real = Black

Trial 2:
OBE = Green, Real = Green

Trial 3:
OBE = Green, Real = White

Probabilistically expected success rate: 1/6 (16.67%)
Actual success rate thus far: 1/3 (33.33%)

Comments: Not horrible, but I am a little disappointed in myself for being so impatient with looking at the cube. I think, like before, coming off of a dry spell I did not want to miss my opportunity to get some more data. Never the less, I am still above the benchmark. The best thing that came out of today was that I think I figured out why I was not having any lucid dreams recently.

When I first started getting results, I was waking up around 4am am staying up a full hour before going back to bed. After a while that hour tuned into 30 minutes, and sometimes I didn't even get out of bed. This morning I made myself stay up the full hour and, sure enough, I had a series of lucid dreams. So in the end I am not too disappointed. If LD's come easier I can then afford to be more strict about the one's I use.

You're going to need bulk data.

If you had a lucid dream every night and kept this up for months you wouldn't have enough data to confirm anything. Especially if you only have "ethereal projections" on occasion.

My suggestion is you use many dice, as many as you can remember the colors of anyway. This way if you actually do have an "ethereal projection" you should get all the dice correct simultaneously.

This goes back to the potential pitfalls of assuming too much about the thing you are studying, and how setting one's bench mark too high as a result can possibly lead to one overlooking relevant (but less dramatic) data.

I am not a mathematician, but I would think 30-50 trials ought to be pretty decent. I guess one way to find out how many trials I will need is to roll a die until I am close to an even distribution of results, then repeat rolling the die X amount of times to ensure the even distribution is constant at that number of rolls, and then aim for that number of trials in my experiment.

What do you think?

Hey. I didn't read through this thread as thoroughly as I could, so I apologize if following is redundant.

I am neither a mathematician or statistician, but I know that you don't need a high number of trials to know if you are getting significant results. Why don't you keep it simple, and start with about 10 trials. On a six sided die if you were to get just 6 colors correct in a row you're looking at ridiculous odds, 1 in 46656.

Just stay as true as you can to a strict protocol, which I know is tricky considering the nature of such tests. But we are all capable of confirmation bias, and minimizing its potential is key. Also, based on some of the challenges you've faced you could certainly simplify the experiments. First, why not eliminate the possibility of confusing multiple colors on a single die (during the OBE) by simply ensuring that only one single color of one single object is the target. For example, you could have 6 (or whatever #) distinctly colored marbles in a bag. For each trial blindly grab one and drop it into your target container, and that's it. For each subsequent trial repeat with all 6 marbles.

You mentioned it's difficult enough to accurately read a 2 digit number in that state, let alone a winning lottery number; your desire to keep the target veridical data in line with the nature of the experience is dead on.
Another poster mentioned using random pictures as targets. In some of my own experiments I was using this site.
http://www.randomword.net/
It generates a random word and accompanying picture, though I can't vouch for the statistics. My wife would print out the page with the picture and word and put that in an envelop, and that would be my target.

I hope you keep up with the research. It's exciting no matter which way the results go.