Thread: 8 Hour Lucidity - Need Researchers

Update:

I seem to be able to get into a deeper from a sleep while remaining aware if i go to bed at a sensible time. I think if i go to bed late, my mind and body are desperate to get to sleep. I find that i don't get as many weird subconscious thoughts or images, and when i finally do, my attention/awareness becomes extremely hard to maintain. I find myself coming back to myself, thinking "Wow, almost lost it there". However when i go to bed at a normal time, like 9pm or half past, i can 'get lost' in these weird subconscious fantasies but still be fully aware. Makes sense i suppose. Awareness is natural and going to bed a sensible hour is probably natural aswell. Perhaps the decent into sleep is much faster if you stay up late and are therefore more tired - making it much harder to maintain awareness. And also perhaps the decent into sleep when you go to bed earlier is more gradual, allowing you to hold onto awareness.

I know im entering a deeper form of sleep because although i maintain awareness of myself, i loose awareness of external things, and of my body. My mind also 'feels' different. Its hard to explain but you know when you wake up in the morning (and if you were just in slow wave sleep) and your head feels all groggy? Almost like its buzzing, it thinks things all on its own. Its like that, and it feels nice. It feels natural and it really feels like im resting.
From now on im going to try to go to bed at sensible times.

Dizko, i found a really useful video, tried talking to you on msn but u wernt on, its TIM!!! hes got an even better tutorial.. and guess what on?? SCHEMA!!!!!! i was RC'ing all over the friggin place!

www.youtube.com/watch/6sdk76xtim

Originally Posted by Niddiboy

Dizko, i found a really useful video, tried talking to you on msn but u wernt on, its TIM!!! hes got an even better tutorial.. and guess what on?? SCHEMA!!!!!! i was RC'ing all over the friggin place!

www.youtube.com/watch/6sdk76xtim

GTFO XD

Once one of my friends had tested to stay awake for around 48 consuctive hours. She said she saw creepy images, heard weird sounds etc. Your quest sounds tempting, good luck. In summer I'll test different sleeping patterns, do some experiments as well.

haha I THOUGHT U MIGHT ENJOY

Originally Posted by firat

Once one of my friends had tested to stay awake for around 48 consuctive hours. She said she saw creepy images, heard weird sounds etc. Your quest sounds tempting, good luck. In summer I'll test different sleeping patterns, do some experiments as well.

Hmm interesting.

Yea the aim of my quest is to stay lucid through all sleep cycles, meaning that the user should not become sleep deprived, because technically they are still sleeping.

Glad of your interest ^^

UPDATE:

Well last night was interesting. I went to bed early and tried to remain aware as i fell asleep. I felt myself going but because of the noise from others in the house, i kept being startled.

After about 2 hours, i felt fine. I was peaceful, relaxed, and felt like i was asleep, but i must have been because REM hadn't started.
Anyway all of a sudden i began to get really angry, and i didnt really know why. I took a moment to chill out, and seperated myself from the anger. I was still angry, like i wanted to punch a wall in, but i was able to just observe the anger rather than 'be' the anger.
It was weird. I was laughing on the inside at this crazy amount of anger that seemed to come from nowhere.
It was probably my body wanting sleep so badly, after hovering so close it for such a long time.

Anyway, i'll need to tell my family to keep the noise down. :/

Im becoming aware during sleep paralysis a lot more often.

I had one DILD and two WILDs last night.

If anything, ill get more lucid dreams out of all this awareness practice.

Dizko!

Crap i've been trying to do what you are trying to do now also ever since i read jeff's tutorial on how to trick your body to fall asleep...

I can fully manage to lay there and stay aware and let my body fall asleep.

But i think my problem is i'm not able to just yet let my mind rest fully and completely so it can start sleeping.

But wow, this is so completely possible, and i will follow your thread and post any experiences i may have also.

Focusing on a thought, or putting it into words - seems to stop the random thoughts from coming. This makes sense. I think the trick is to remain 'aware' but not to focus on the thoughts. In a way, 'hide' from your brain - Be there, but dont make any noise.

Hearing this is going to help me out so much

Im keeping my self awake and aware but its alot harder to clear your mind and not focus on thoughts.... Well i guess the thing is, not to be awake, but still aware hehe...

Im a bit tired right now, im going to head back to bed, Good luck Dizko

It would be a pretty cool thing. I'd like to get there eventually too. Mind, I'm still waiting for my first LD!

Originally Posted by Dizko

I had one DILD and two WILDs last night.

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Me too

Originally Posted by ClouD

Be aware of anything or everything or nothing, just be. Accept lucidity as your undivided nature...

...Awareness is free will; awareness is life.

What a beautiful concept.

Those that've replied before me have stated it better than I can.

But as for staying conscious for 90min, or more? Easy: lucidity in both realms of thought promotes both active and passive thoughts. 90min. can become one moment if your lucidity allows it to be.

If I may ask so, does your conscious mind play a major role, or is it a mixture of conscious and unconcious?

Keep us posted with your observations. I'm very interested!

Originally Posted by TheMoon

Dizko!

Crap i've been trying to do what you are trying to do now also ever since i read jeff's tutorial on how to trick your body to fall asleep...

I can fully manage to lay there and stay aware and let my body fall asleep.

But i think my problem is i'm not able to just yet let my mind rest fully and completely so it can start sleeping.

But wow, this is so completely possible, and i will follow your thread and post any experiences i may have also.



Hearing this is going to help me out so much

Im keeping my self awake and aware but its alot harder to clear your mind and not focus on thoughts.... Well i guess the thing is, not to be awake, but still aware hehe...

Im a bit tired right now, im going to head back to bed, Good luck Dizko

Thanks ;D Id love to hear about your experiences and findings.

Originally Posted by iank

It would be a pretty cool thing. I'd like to get there eventually too. Mind, I'm still waiting for my first LD!

Well practicing being aware is sure to lead to a lucid dream

Originally Posted by roland3tr

Me too

Originally Posted by acatalephobic

If I may ask so, does your conscious mind play a major role, or is it a mixture of conscious and unconcious?

Well so far, ive discovered it is a mix. When you are falling asleep, your 'train of thought' sort of, drives itself.

I think the key is to allow as much of your unconcious mind to take over as possible, while still retaining a small fraction of conciousness/awareness.

I think im slowly making progress. Im getting good at allowing myself to get lost in thought, but at the same time, and in some form, still be aware.
It used to be that if i had a weird thought come into my mind , i would; stop, 'look' at the thought, question the thought, react to the thought, and then i would have to wait again until my unconscious mind started to get my random thoughts going again. This meant that i was lying awake for hours.
Now however, i think im starting to be able to observe,question and react/not react to the thoughts, without them stopping.

Doing this has lead to me having a number of hypnic jerks, which is a sign that im falling asleep, but they were not like normal hypnic jerks. I could see them coming, a good half a second before they happen. This way they dont startle me and i can continue to fall asleep.

I think im slowly learning the difference between awareness and focus. Of course, by definition, i know the difference - but in practice, i think it is something i still have to learn. Focus stops us falling asleep, so i need to be aware, without focus.

Im going to stop now before i give myself, or someone else, a headache.

Seems like you are really making progress. I hope you'll make more. Because then we can learn not only more about lucidity but also maybe some unknown things about consciousness-unconsciousness-sleep.

"but they were not like normal hypnic jerks. I could see them coming, a good half a second before they happen. " That is really weird. I mean what does it feel like and how did you manage to feel that ?

Originally Posted by roland3tr

Seems like you are really making progress. I hope you'll make more. Because then we can learn not only more about lucidity but also maybe some unknown things about consciousness-unconsciousness-sleep.

"but they were not like normal hypnic jerks. I could see them coming, a good half a second before they happen. " That is really weird. I mean what does it feel like and how did you manage to feel that ?

A lot of hypnic jerks (i find) come from something surprising happening in your thought process as you fall asleep. For exmaple, you're running and your foot goes down a hole, or you fall off something.
I would just be watching my thoughts, and they would start to seem a little more real. I'd then notice, 'So im thinking about walking along a cliff. Oh dear, im about to fall, i wonder will i have a hypn..' *shake*

I dont 'think' these words to myself. Just trying to explain things =P

Originally Posted by Dizko

A lot of hypnic jerks (i find) come from something surprising happening in your thought process as you fall asleep. For exmaple, you're running and your foot goes down a hole, or you fall off something.
I would just be watching my thoughts, and they would start to seem a little more real. I'd then notice, 'So im thinking about walking along a cliff. Oh dear, im about to fall, i wonder will i have a hypn..' *shake*

I dont 'think' these words to myself. Just trying to explain things =P

OMG thats exactly how my hypnic jerks happen. But the image (HI) and jerks happen almost simultaneously. Not a half second but I might say one mili second. Those HIs are like fall off, foot goes down just like you said or a ball hitting to my face...

Originally Posted by roland3tr

OMG thats exactly how my hypnic jerks happen. But the image (HI) and jerks happen almost simultaneously. Not a half second but I might say one mili second. Those HIs are like fall off, foot goes down just like you said or a ball hitting to my face...

Yea lol! Ive had the ball hitting my face too...xD

Originally Posted by acatalephobic

But as for staying conscious for 90min, or more? Easy: lucidity in both realms of thought promotes both active and passive thoughts. 90min. can become one moment if your lucidity allows it to be.

I dont really understand

Can you dumb it down for me a little?

Please clear it up for me too!

I'm confused, aca, so 90 minutes can pass in an instant?, please explain

Originally Posted by A dreamer168

Please clear it up for me too!

I'm confused, aca, so 90 minutes can pass in an instant?, please explain

Hrm well, when i laid down in my bed last night and stayed aware. I completely lost track of any time once my body started going to sleep.

By the time i had to pee real bad and got up about 90 minutes went by in fact.

So to me, it did seem like that time went by in a instant.

Also as long you keep your mind clear of any thoughts that you create, you really don't get bored. You mainly just lay there in a relaxed state. It doesn't seem boring.

Originally Posted by TheMoon

Hrm well, when i laid down in my bed last night and stayed aware. I completely lost track of any time once my body started going to sleep.

By the time i had to pee real bad and got up about 90 minutes went by in fact.

So to me, it did seem like that time went by in a instant.

Also as long you keep your mind clear of any thoughts that you create, you really don't get bored. You mainly just lay there in a relaxed state. It doesn't seem boring.

You lost track of time because you fell a sleep and lose consciousness. You might say "no I was aware" but this kind of time dilation happens time to time. I think it is very amazing. One minute you were thinking other minute you wake up 90 min passed.

Originally Posted by Dizko

I dont really understand

Can you dumb it down for me a little?

From the sounds of your posts, you don't need any concept to be dumbed down.

But I sometimes speak too abstractly...I guess what I meant is that lucidity is something I strive for in both states. When you begin to notice tiny details in your waking life, it helps promote conscious and unconscious thoughts (like how you said, your technique involves a mixture of both).

I've had whole days that feel like one moment, because both active and passive thoughts string together almost seamlessly.

Maybe I'm just a boring person, but 90min. seems like nothing when compared to the greater scheme of time. If you consider the broader spectrum of time that came before you, 90min. (or even a lifetime) in comparison can seem like the blink of an eye. We are simply conditioned by our routines/schedules to believe that an hour is lengthy. Lucidity is the key to unlocking the continuity of our own minds. (Which is the key concept I took from your post).

I'm sorry, I don't want to hijack this thread by making it about something else....your post just got me to thinking.


I hope I didn't give you a headache....

Originally Posted by roland3tr

You lost track of time because you fell a sleep and lose consciousness. You might say "no I was aware" but this kind of time dilation happens time to time. I think it is very amazing. One minute you were thinking other minute you wake up 90 min passed.

I never went to sleep, i was awake the whole time aware of my body as it slowly feel asleep

I was there for the whole hour and half, but when i got up it did not seem like that long had passed.