Thread: 8 Hour Lucidity - Need Researchers

Originally Posted by acatalephobic

From the sounds of your posts, you don't need any concept to be dumbed down.

But I sometimes speak too abstractly...I guess what I meant is that lucidity is something I strive for in both states. When you begin to notice tiny details in your waking life, it helps promote conscious and unconscious thoughts (like how you said, your technique involves a mixture of both).

I've had whole days that feel like one moment, because both active and passive thoughts string together almost seamlessly.

Maybe I'm just a boring person, but 90min. seems like nothing when compared to the greater scheme of time. If you consider the broader spectrum of time that came before you, 90min. (or even a lifetime) in comparison can seem like the blink of an eye. We are simply conditioned by our routines/schedules to believe that an hour is lengthy. Lucidity is the key to unlocking the continuity of our own minds. (Which is the key concept I took from your post).

I'm sorry, I don't want to hijack this thread by making it about something else....your post just got me to thinking.


I hope I didn't give you a headache....

So you are basically arguing about the concept of "time".

Originally Posted by acatalephobic

But I sometimes speak too abstractly...I guess what I meant is that lucidity is something I strive for in both states. When you begin to notice tiny details in your waking life, it helps promote conscious and unconscious thoughts (like how you said, your technique involves a mixture of both).

Ah yes. I definatly agree.

Bah! Stupid cold/cough.

Very difficult to remain aware while loosing myself in my thoughts - but on top of that, i now have to deal with a tickley throat and the need to cough every minute. ._.
Its keeping me very focused on my physical self...

Stupid sicknesszzz!

Originally Posted by Dizko

Bah! Stupid cold/cough.

Very difficult to remain aware while loosing myself in my thoughts - but on top of that, i now have to deal with a tickley throat and the need to cough every minute. ._.
Its keeping me very focused on my physical self...

Stupid sicknesszzz!

Ricola?

Or honey + tea, or just eat straight honey.

Originally Posted by Dizko

Bah! Stupid cold/cough.

Very difficult to remain aware while loosing myself in my thoughts - but on top of that, i now have to deal with a tickley throat and the need to cough every minute. ._.
Its keeping me very focused on my physical self...

Stupid sicknesszzz!

Hope you could get well soon

Originally Posted by roland3tr

Hope you could get well soon

Thanks ^^ Getting there. =p

hey diz, i tried staying conscious going to sleep, but friggin weird things happened, like no SP or HI ive ever experienced before.... really freaky.

ill explain 2moro in skool if ur in that is lol.

Originally Posted by Niddiboy

hey diz, i tried staying conscious going to sleep, but friggin weird things happened, like no SP or HI ive ever experienced before.... really freaky.

ill explain 2moro in skool if ur in that is lol.

Awesome

I can almost do something like this. Sometimes during the day I'll go lay down on my bed. For about an hour I'd just lay there. When I get up it feels like I've had an hour's rest, but I was aware for that whole hour. I might give this a try.

Wahay! Four WILDs in a row last night...

This awareness training is finally coming in handy ^^

Originally Posted by Dizko

I know im entering a deeper form of sleep because although i maintain awareness of myself, i loose awareness of external things, and of my body. My mind also 'feels' different. Its hard to explain but you know when you wake up in the morning (and if you were just in slow wave sleep) and your head feels all groggy? Almost like its buzzing, it thinks things all on its own. Its like that, and it feels nice. It feels natural and it really feels like im resting.

Im getting to this stage comfortably every night now. Problem is, when i do - if someone else in the house makes noise or something bothers me, i find myself getting very angry.
Im not an angry person, im guessing its just my body desperately wanting to fall alseep.

I really should be going to bed earlier, because it is much easier.

Originally Posted by Dizko

Ah i see. What about your body? Did you think about it/not think about it/not care?

I think ive done this as a child once.

Lol this sucks. I did everything as a child. Got stuck in SP, had accidental WILD's, which ofcourse all lead to nightmares.
Now i have to TRY to get these things -_-



Thankyou!

Sorry it took me so long to reply, as I thought I had already. I don't really think I payed too much attention to my body. I was able to do it to such an extent that if I had an itch, i could wake myself up, scratch it, and be back asleep within a couple of seconds. Maybe, just for experimentation purposes, you should find a city bus in a good neighborhood and fall asleep to see if you can do it. I will warn you though that it is EXTREMELY physically straining. You will wake up feeling as if you hadn't slept in two days, and you will feel cold. The best way to describe it is to imagine you have the chills from a fever. No matter how much you cover up, you will feel cold on the inside of your body. it is very good for meditation purposes.

I wonder what happens if one dream ends. Do you slowly fade in and out waking state? Anyway I think that this is a great goal. If you've done this you can truly call yourself aware. I think that an experience like that can change your life. For the boredom, learn to enjoy it yes. It wil test your power of will and strenght of the mind. I think that you should master lucid dreaming first. All techniques are useful in their own way, you could apply the knowledge of all techniques to your progress. MILD improves the power of will and mind ; WILD improves the feeling of being aware/awake ; DILD improves the flexibility of you mind.

When you wake up in the morning after you do this, do you feel as rested as you normally would? Not immediately after you awaken, but in your overall day?

Also, exactly how do you do this? Do you just lie down as if you were sleeping, and keep your mind aware?

EDIT: One last thing, what were your first results when trying this?

Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

When you wake up in the morning after you do this, do you feel as rested as you normally would? Not immediately after you awaken, but in your overall day?

Also, exactly how do you do this? Do you just lie down as if you were sleeping, and keep your mind aware?

EDIT: One last thing, what were your first results when trying this?

Thanks for the post, pojmaster.

Well, i have not yet managed to remain aware throughout the whole night of sleep. The longest time i have managed is about an hour and a half. This thread is just where i will record any events or discoveries that i make while attempting this each night.

Another time i was aware for about 1 hour then i lost awareness temporarily but became aware again as the first REM stage occurred, and so i went into the dream, aware.

I then woke up after the dream ended, and confirmed (by checking the time) that i had almost remained fully aware through a whole sleep cycle (which lasts a little over 100minutes.). And yes, i did feel like i had been sleeping and gained energy. I don't feel that a person must become unconscious to gain energy. I do believe however, that we must lose all sense of focus - but still remain 'aware', in order for our brains and bodies to fall asleep and gain energy, while the person remains aware, or 'lucid'.

Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

Also, exactly how do you do this? Do you just lie down as if you were sleeping, and keep your mind aware?

Yep, thats it. The key is (as far as i know) to learn the difference between awareness, and focus.
Focus will keep you 'awake'. Focus will stop your body from going into sleep, and it will also keep your brain too active to feel ready to sleep.
Awareness is different. Awareness is you. If you take away your body, your emotions, your feelings, your knowledge, your everything - you will be left with the very core thing that is you, your awareness.

Sorry if i sound patronizing, or as if im trying to be a 'teacher' - i like to explain things every now and again, if not for anyone else but for myself.

Anyway if you want to further learn what it means to just 'be', or 'be aware' then try this video - part 1, part 2.

Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

EDIT: One last thing, what were your first results when trying this?

I got frustrated at first. I kept thinking, "This is crazy, i've been lying awake for ages...."
Then i realised that, that was the whole point :p

After that, i'm learning to enjoy drifting into sleep. The weird feelings, and strange thoughts that occur as your conscious self calms down, and your subconscious starts to become more active, is very interesting.

The hard part seems to be letting go of your physical self, while remaining aware. Noises from other people or from dogs outside etc, become a lot more distracting when you are lying there fully conscious trying to fall asleep ;p

Anyway - Its good fun. I learn something every night and I am enjoying the experiences.

Originally Posted by Dizko

Sorry if i sound patronizing, or as if im trying to be a 'teacher' - i like to explain things every now and again, if not for anyone else but for myself.

No, actually, your post answered everything I was wondering, thanks for the help! I'm gonna try doing this, and report back if anything major happens.

Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

No, actually, your post answered everything I was wondering, thanks for the help! I'm gonna try doing this, and report back if anything major happens.

;D

Originally Posted by A dreamer168

Granted

But how do you stay awake?

i just had pretty much coffee that might help me to stay awake, hopefully i'll remeber to post the results

speaking of beeing awake, i've been awake for about 120 hours in a row without illusion (i think XD).
beeing awake for too long leaves the brain damaged, just so you guys know. ^^

Originally Posted by Oros

i just had pretty much coffee that might help me to stay awake, hopefully i'll remeber to post the results

speaking of beeing awake, i've been awake for about 120 hours in a row without illusion (i think XD).
beeing awake for too long leaves the brain damaged, just so you guys know. ^^

I went to bed and laid there in a half sitting position for about 40 minutes until i fall asleep XD
I got into SP quite fast thou.

The aim is not to stay awake. The aim is to fall asleep.

Originally Posted by Dizko

The aim is not to stay awake. The aim is to fall asleep.

Whilst being conscious. I think I'll be trying this when I get WILD down. Still got a long road to go.

It would be awesome, though, to be aware of your sleep once in a while. Imagine 5 Lucids a night, plus you get a look at what your body does in sleep.

I've been trying this for about a week and a half now. I can say I'm getting alot further. Two nights ago I started to feel the onset of SP, but since I am not used to WILDing I ended up waking up...

I can stay aware for about an hour before I give up and roll over, but I am making progress.

Originally Posted by mdf92

I've been trying this for about a week and a half now. I can say I'm getting alot further. Two nights ago I started to feel the onset of SP, but since I am not used to WILDing I ended up waking up...

I can stay aware for about an hour before I give up and roll over, but I am making progress.

Awesome. Thanks for the input. I really appreciate hearing others experiences when trying this.

Had an interesting episode this morning.

I became aware. I don't know when, and i don't know for how long.
I was in nothingness. Not even darkness. I wasn't thinking of anything, i wasn't thinking of nothing. It was strange, i was aware only of me.

I'm guessing i was aware during a stage of sleep outside of REM. If so, i'm happy.

Anyway, later on in the morning, i had a few WILD's. Pretty unstable dreams because it was so late in the morning, approaching lunchtime - so i was quite full of energy. I had to touch things a lot in the dream to keep it from fading.

Anyway, I think i may have created what I've always wanted in my lucid dreams; A worthy adversary.

Morpheus is my self-chosen dream guide. In fact he has made me lucid, and helped me in non lucid dreams as well. But what happened in this dream was that when i called him, a black man, who looked very like him, came over to me.
He was friendly, but didn't look like Morpheus exactly, and he was wearing a japanese headband for some reason. I didn't mind at the time, and i said "You now have the power of my subconscious(whatever that means), i want you to not let me hit you".
This was to test my dream control. So we started sparring - he sucked, i hit him in the face after about 10 seconds. Thats when it really hit me that this wasn't the same dream character as the first 'Morpheus' i had met.

In reality, it doesnt matter, because dream characters arent real. But im going to go along with it.

It seems that i have given some measure of my subconscious power to this fake Morpheus. Who knows what nightmares he might try to start within me?
Its up to me and the True Morpheus to cleanse my own personal matrix.

DUN DUN DUN



I'm such a child. ^^