Thread: Let's discuss evolution from a scientific perspective -not for Creationist, anti-scientific argument

^ (@ Deviant)Remember there are a lot of people claiming to be libertarians who really aren't. Plus it's an umbrella term covering a few different positions, with some leaning right and some left (it doesn't allow for anyone who leans the way Beck does though )

And of course the Netherlands - that's not a full-on socialist country, more of a social democracy. I've heard arguments on both sides for social democracies - usually it's the socialists who claim they're utopias, while some people say that's not even close to true. I guess it depends on who you are and what your stance on personal liberty is. Many people believe we need to give government lots of power and give up our liberties to it in order to be protected. Of course once you do that, you have no protection from the government! Give them a certain amount of power and they'll only want more, and when they have enough power, then there's nothing to stop them from suddenly just taking it all. I think it takes a certain kind of person to want that - someone who doesn't feel capable of protecting themselves, and is extremely trusting that power doesn't corrupt. I've heard that the various halfway socialisms have a way of just being temporary, and once you start down that slippery slope you'll end up full-on socialist eventually. Not sure if that's true.

And welcome back to the land of the living Steph!! It's good to have you among us again!