What was the first number?

**Universal Mind** · 02-12-2009 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by drewmandan

pi does equal 1 in some spacetime geometries.

Well, in our space-time geometry, why don't we just make pi = 1? Or will it still be the case that the circumference of a circle is 3.14... times its diameter in every single case?

**drewmandan** · 02-12-2009 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Well, in our space-time geometry, why don't we just make pi = 1? Or will it still be the case that the circumference of a circle is 3.14... times its diameter in every single case?

Sure. That doesn't mean it's a number. And even if it was, there's no reason to believe that some numbers "came first". Why couldn't they have all appeared simultaneously?

**Bearsy** · 02-12-2009 04:05 AM

Do you mean the concept of having "none, more than none, many, all"?

**Universal Mind** · 02-12-2009 04:11 AM

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Sure. That doesn't mean it's a number.

What is it?

Originally Posted by drewmandan

And even if it was, there's no reason to believe that some numbers "came first". Why couldn't they have all appeared simultaneously?

My original post:

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Was there a first number or group of numbers, did they all come into existence simultaneously, or have all of them always existed? Are there other possibilities to consider?

Originally Posted by Elis D.

Do you mean the concept of having "none, more than none, many, all"?

What you talkin' about, Willis?

**really** · 02-12-2009 04:32 AM

Who knows.

What was the number 1 number? lol

**drewmandan** · 02-12-2009 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What is it?

It's the geometry of a circle.

**Universal Mind** · 02-12-2009 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by drewmandan

It's the geometry of a circle.

So, the geometry of a circle is whatever we decide it is? Use Photoshop or Paint or something to show me a circle with a circumference that is 1 diametric unit. Or, are you pretty much stuck with 3.1415926blahblahblah?

**drewmandan** · 02-12-2009 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

So, the geometry of a circle is whatever we decide it is? Use Photoshop or Paint or something to show me a circle with a circumference that is 1 diametric unit. Or, are you pretty much stuck with 3.1415926blahblahblah?

It wouldn't be a circle.

Circle <=> C = pi*D