Thread: If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did all this stuff come from?

Originally Posted by Hercuflea

Well, i cant convince you that there is a creator...but can I ask you a question.

You would, by the logic that there is no creator or higher being, believe that humans are the most rational, most wise, and most sensible creatures in the entire universe, would you not? Thats logically what follows, if you dont believe in a creator. Without "empirical evidence" of a creator, and without the fact that we have no "empirical evidence" of any other higher race or species than ourselves, we are the most advanced of anything in the entire universe.

I'd have to say that that is one sad shit story, if humans are actually the highest species in the universe, after all the crap we've pulled throughout our history.

The universe is far too big for us to be the only life in the universe. While there is no evidence for alien life, i doubt there is no other life besides us. More then bacteria on other planets, there is maybe other life forms somewhere much more advanced then us that you would not see in a Hollywood movie.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

The universe is far too big for us to be the only life in the universe. While there is no evidence for alien life, i doubt there is no other life besides us. More then bacteria on other planets, there is maybe other life forms somewhere much more advanced then us that you would not see in a Hollywood movie.

I dont doubt that. There are billions of galaxies, each with billions of stars, and many of the stars has a system of planets. Even if you visited a new solar system every hour for the rest of your life you wouldnt even scratch the surface.

Of course there is other life out there even though there may be no evidence for it. Im just basing what i said on the evidence that we have at our disposal

You would, by the logic that there is no creator or higher being, believe that humans are the most rational, most wise, and most sensible creatures in the entire universe, would you not? Thats logically what follows, if you dont believe in a creator. Without "empirical evidence" of a creator, and without the fact that we have no "empirical evidence" of any other higher race or species than ourselves, we are the most advanced of anything in the entire universe.

I'd have to say that that is one sad shit story, if humans are actually the highest species in the universe, after all the crap we've pulled throughout our history.

You can't rationally believe something because the alternative is 'sad'... you believe something based on whether it appears to be true or not. That's what I do anyway.

And no, I don't believe that humans are the most advanced species in the universe. We're probably the most intelligent on Earth with regards to cognitive abilities, but due to the vast number of planets out there (10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars are visible alone...) it's seems like a bit of a leap to assume that there are no other organisms out there more advanced than us, especially considering we don't progress in parallel; they could have been around for billions of years longer. Just look at how much progress we've made in the last 100.

Originally Posted by Xei

You can't rationally believe something because the alternative is 'sad'... you believe something based on whether it appears to be true or not. That's what I do anyway.

And no, I don't believe that humans are the most advanced species in the universe. We're probably the most intelligent on Earth with regards to cognitive abilities, but due to the vast number of planets out there (10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars are visible alone...) it's seems like a bit of a leap to assume that there are no other organisms out there more advanced than us, especially considering we don't progress in parallel; they could have been around for billions of years longer. Just look at how much progress we've made in the last 100.

Just imagine us today if we did not have the ice age.