Thread: Remove Post Counts

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

The jealousy comment was for your benefit, since you made a big deal to tell us that you weren't jealous.

Bah, I knew it was too good to be true

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

I pegged that the moment I saw this thread. I didn't comment until I saw you pointing the finger, hence my edit addition in my first post in this thread.

I didn’t mean to point fingers.

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

Perhaps you've failed - again - to read what that thread was about. People are getting defensive about it but, that thread was about forum etiquette and forum rules. It WAS NOT about post count.

Did you or did you not say the following:

I wouldn't say it's upsetting people. I only mention it because I've seen at least 6 different members doing quite a bit of it lately and, rather than try to explain the multi-quote button to each individually, I figured I'd make this topic. I get the impression that some people aren't even aware of what that multi-quote button even does.

It's also possible that some people do it to milk their post counts. But, really, there's no need to have three and four posts back to back within 3 minutes when one would have worked just fine. It happens sometimes, I understand. But when it's habit then it just shows laziness.

Keep in mind I know it wasn’t the main issue, but the issue came up. Also keep in mind that your topic wasnt the only thing that made me want to post this topic, there were a few and yours happened to be the most recent. Also...keep in mind this wasnt supposed to be a big issue, just a suggestion for a small problem. But things have a way of getting bent all out of proportion when people get critical over a small issue, ***no matter what side you find yourself on.***

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

YOU are the one who turned that into a post count issue. My issue is with double-posting. If it was DPing in senseless banter - who cares? Double-posting is double posting. My main issue, to be honest, was with the triple and quadruple posting that's been going on.

I know, and I didn’t mean to make it seem like post count was the main issue.

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

It never was - nor is it now - about post count. Like I said, you are the one making post count the issue.

In all fairness, if talking about post count being an issue makes it an issue, then you too are making it even more of an issue by debating me over it.

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

Again, post count only demonstrates a member's relative activity within the forum. Nothing more. Get over it.

No, that’s all it should be. If that was all there was to it, then there would be no reason to determine what activity counts as notable activity, seeing as activity is activity regardless of where. But, since we choose which activity is worthy of recognition, that inherently make ones post count a status thing.

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

What, you're allowed to talk about it but we all have to just accept your piss-poor logic and unfounded fears and banish the counter system?

Banish huh? I could have sworn I said “relocate”. And who are we kidding, my logic is quite good

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

*Sues ethen*

God not again!

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

Huh?

The only reason this topic has gotten so much attention, as opposed to some other “pointless suggestion”, is because the issue of "caring about post counts" is a taboo one. Like you said, its an unspoken thing, but it’s a thing nonetheless.

[edit] Case in point, the "tiny matter: identical icons" thread. Also a small matter, and even more pointless than my own concern...yet you don't see anyone bustin' his balls from making it, do you?

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

Then you are obviously unfamiliar with my posting :p Of all of the dumb shit I've posted, THAT is the most ridiculous you've heard?

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Originally Posted by Oneironaught

Then don't make it the issue.

You’re not making it any less of an issue, that’s for sure. Take it from me, fighting the issue by posting about it only makes you liable for making it a bigger issue. Oh the irony!!

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

Again, I never "brought up" post count as an issue: At all. Just because some one says the word plane doesn't mean he wants to go skydiving. You're getting separate issues confused as if they were one. They aren't.

Yes you did. The quote is right there. I know it was just a tangent, but the implications were clear; post fluffing bothers you. Its ok, it bothers me too lol.

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

If you look around the forums you'll find references made by other members in disapproval of multi-posting. Do you know why that is? It's because doing so is frowned upon. You really think you're going to trap me into looking like I live for post count?

No, but you may trap yourself. It seems to be happening to me...

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

And, besides, you're honestly letting a nobody like myself sway you into thinking that this non-issue of yours really matters? Even if the count thing was such a big an issue for me - which it's not - do you really think that my statements and opinions matter that much? If so then you are the one with the problem because I don't see any one else caring that much.

You care enough to debate the issue, which means you care enough to bring even more attention to the issue...only to ridicule it for not being worthy of concern. The truth is that what you’re doing isn’t really all that different than what I’m doing.

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

The key word is SOME role. But if you rely on a number to choose who your friends are then you need to find a new way to judge people. That minute role is being grossly over exagerated this thread.

Perhaps, but it’s bound to seem that way when you make a topic on it. It wasn’t my intention to make it a bigger deal than what it is. On the contrary my goal was to make it even less of an issue, but in order to do that I had to temporarily make it an issue. It’s important not to ignore the motivation behind all of this, otherwise I just look like the fool I'm not.

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

One thing's for certain: you care and you care a lot.

Oh give me break. I care about it in the same way you do. I care in the sense that I don’t like it. In fact, my dislike is enough to for me to write about it, like you. Enough with your self-righteousness, you are doing exactly what I am doing…I just happened to have started it

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

So... what's the problem.

The problem is that people make the implications anyway, and I wanted to curb that habit.

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

You are the one making it an issue.

And you are the one helping me, by having a problem with me having a problem about something you claim you don’t have a problem with. But you do, which is why you have a problem with me having this problem. Problem solved?

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

Well, I'm so sorry that you are having such a hard time with people not jumping on the bandwagon with you.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

I thought that would piss you off. I'm kind of pleased I was right. Does that make me a bad person?

Oh my yes.

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

I'll stand by you on that one. I don't think you're being an asshole at all. I do, however, think you're fighting a non-issue.

Ill give you the benefit of the doubt. But tell me, if me debating a non-issue is foolish (or whatever), what does that say about the person who fights the fool who debates the non-issue? hahahehehoetc

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

One final comment: If I was so damned obsessed with post count - as you seem to believe - then I'd be out there douple, triple and quadruple posting. But guess what? I don't! So there. :p

Speaking of which, damn I could have milked this baby for 5 posts easily. C'mon, post count, show Daddy some love

Couldn’t I say the same? We have a lot in common, Lets be friends!

Alright, we've gone from crazy to outright hilarious

Originally Posted by ethen

Did you or did you not say the following:

Originally Posted by me

It's also possible that some people do it to milk their post counts.

Well, yah! I most certainly did say that. I said that because that's a possible reason that some people may decide to make a separate post for each quote. But where in that do you get that I'm yelling about post counts? Once again, you're trying to lump two separate issues into the same basket. My point was that the reason for doing so doesn't really matter.

Keep in mind I know it wasn’t the main issue, but the issue came up.

Yes, keep that in mind. In fact, keep in mind that that isn't THE issue at all. I've already stated my issue and it's clearly not the same issue you raise. Whether anybody multi-posts for the sake of a number means nothing. My point was that members should make use of the tools available in the forum software and post like it's meant to be done. So what if people sometimes double-post. Just don't let it be your standard modus operandi or it starts to get old and annoying.

In all fairness, if talking about post count being an issue makes it an issue, then you too are making it even more of an issue by debating me over it.

Perhaps. But I'm also trying to address your concerns about the issue. If no one counters or even discusses what you've presented then how is it a worthy topic at all?

But, since we choose which activity is worthy of recognition, that inherently make ones post count a status thing.

How much more plainly can I state that the reason post count is off in senseless banter has nothing to do with what you seem to think it does. It is so because it's a way to separate how much a given member participates in the body of the forum from the goof-off and BS sessions that comprise the Senseless Banter forum.

Remember this is a forum about lucid dreaming, not about how pretty the avatar of the poster above you is. The playful areas are fine but, you can't claim that the reason they don't contribute to the post count is because post counts add status. That's absurd. The reason they don't count is because that area adds nothing to the forum's purpose other than a place to kick back and have fun.

There's a big difference between "status" and "adds nothing of lasting value to the forum".

Banish huh? I could have sworn I said “relocate”. And who are we kidding, my logic is quite good

You did but, you want to banish the display of the count. And, no, your logic really isn't all that sound. Not as far as I can see at least. I may be wrong.

You’re not making it any less of an issue, that’s for sure. Take it from me, fighting the issue by posting about it only makes you liable for making it a bigger issue. Oh the irony!!

Oh, boy. I'm making it a big issue! This is a place for discussion: you say one thing and I countered it. I'd expect every one here to do the same when I raise issues. If it's worthy of discussion then it should be discussed. You raised a non-issue and I felt that it was indeed a non-issue so, viola... here I am discussing it with you.

Yes you did. The quote is right there. I know it was just a tangent, but the implications were clear; post fluffing bothers you. Its ok, it bothers me too lol.

But that's were you are wrong. It doesn't bother me in the least. You are the only one who appears bothered by it.

No, but you may trap yourself. It seems to be happening to me...

Yeah, you do seem to be going down rather quickly. However, since I don't have a problem with it, I don't see myself getting tangled up in my own web. Trust me, I screw up enough that this is the farthest thing from my pool of concerns with respect to trapping myself.

Perhaps, but it’s bound to seem that way when you make a topic on it.

... And the wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round...

Look, let me spell this out one more time... You may perceive that to be what my topic was about (which you already have convinced yourself of) but, dammit, it's not so quit playing these games with me. I'm tired of it.

Enough with your self-righteousness...

Now, I can't reasonably argue you on that point. I am self-righteous. I don't particularly like that about myself. But don't overlook that I'm also very honest and forthright. I don't play games; I speak my mind, whether others like it or not. You won't always like what I have to say but I can guarantee that you'll never have to wonder where I stand on things.

But tell me, if me debating a non-issue is foolish (or whatever), what does that say about the person who fights the fool who debates the non-issue? hahahehehoetc

You so funny. *slaps ethen for fun*

Couldn’t I say the same? We have a lot in common, Lets be friends!

I thought we were friends. You know, people often get the wrong idea about me. Some people think that I'm out to ba an @sshole or to rain on people's parade but that's not it at all. I truly want to be friends with every member here.

But don't mistake my desire to be friends and to be kind for a willingness to be a passive bystander. Every member here probably knows by now that I'm not going to pussyfoot around. I don't have time to kiss ass or play footsies but, I'll take all the time in the world to be your friend.

So, whether people think I'm a mean, selfish pr!ck is beyond my scope of giving a damn. I'm only out to try to do the best I can and to help this forum grow and flourish. If that makes me self-righteous then so be it; I'm a self-righteous SOB. If I sound like an @sshole then I'm sorry.

*shakes ethen's hand*

I rest my case.

Can someone subtract 1000 from my post number so it looks like I have a life?

I vote we don't move it.

I don't know about others but I myself look at post count+amount of time since joining the forum as a measure of how useful a persons posts are


For example, if I look and see that someone has a thousand posts and just joined this year, I pretty much just skim over anything they're posts might say.

Post count only says so much however. In the end it all comes down to how good the member is.
(Post count just helps when sizing someone up)

Originally Posted by BillyBob_001

For example, if I look and see that someone has a thousand posts and just joined this year, I pretty much just skim over anything they're posts might say.

Wow, that's like me.

In my defense my post count is high because it is my first summer where I don't have much to do. I'd like to think that my posts are useful.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

Wow, that's like me.

In my defense my post count is high because it is my first summer where I don't have much to do. I'd like to think that my posts are useful.

Honestly I've always thought your posts were really good.

You see, your the perfect example of what I said at the end there:

Post count only says so much however. In the end it all comes down to how good the member is.
(Post count just helps when sizing someone up)

EDIT:

To clarify, What meant in saying "I just skim over their posts" is that I do that at first before I find out whether or not I should actually read them in depth or not.

Having a post count is a really simple way of showing you what to most likely expect from any given member

Wow, that was a lot of tl;dr. I think of post count+join date as something of a "spam ratio". Take Onironaroughartght here for example. In about four months he's out-posted me by over 200 in my nearly two years' worth of posts (I speak strictly volume wise, of course). Clearly a spammer.

Originally Posted by BillyBob_001

Honestly I've always thought your posts were really good.

You see, your the perfect example of what I said at the end there:





EDIT:

To clarify, What meant in saying "I just skim over their posts" is that I do that at first before I find out whether or not I should actually read them in depth or not.

Having a post count is a really simple way of showing you what to most likely expect from any given member

Teehee. Ah okay, thanks.

Mark, I think that most of us with high posts write legitimate stuff. Also, keeping a dream journal on here definitely adds up.

Originally Posted by BillyBob_001

For example, if I look and see that someone has a thousand posts and just joined this year, I pretty much just skim over anything they're posts might say.

See, ethen? My posts don't matter so don't think that every one here believes post count is a status symbol. You may but not every one does.