Thread: Advice for Apple

Omg I HATE that about apple. We have a few apple computers here and there at my university but they are always people's last choice. What do you have to do to right click on things... like press ctrl and click at the same time or something?

Yep.

Also, they do have a mouse with more buttons, it's just not the standard for some reason. Other than the mouse thing, I love Macs. :')

Originally Posted by Alex D

Yep.

Also, they do have a mouse with more buttons, it's just not the standard for some reason. Other than the mouse thing, I love Macs. :')

Really? Never seen it... why wouldn't it be standard, it's not like two buttons are the new cutting edge technology!

It's like they tried to simplify it but actually made it more complicated. I hate the feel of them as well, just too clumsy.


Although I do like that there are USB ports in the keyboards. That's good.

The keyboard ports were a good idea considering plugging in a mouse into the back of a computer can shorten the wire quite alot.

I hate the mouse, it seems very stupid, i also find Macs very annoying, i mean they come bundled with programs for idiots, and the actual operating system is quite complicated to get used to compared to windows, for example whenever i run iTunes i find that i accidentally click "Sort songs alphabetically" which i don't want to do, and what dya know, i can't undo it, i have to go fiddling around to sort them by date added, things are too cramped. There is too much you can click in iTunes and it applies for the other applications.

Actually, things are simplified. Most of the tasks you'd do with a right click can be done with the one button, for example instead of right clicking to save a picture, you juct click and drag to the folder you want. Much simpler.

And the Migty Mouse isn't standard because it is an over-complicated, cutting edge mouse. It's a shame they just don't make a middle ground the standard, I agree.

And LS, the operating system seems complicated in comparison on the first few uses, but so does Windows in comparison if you're used to OS X. After a short while you learn the ins and outs and it's stupidly easy to use in comparison. And what programs for idiots?

Just my personal preference but I prefer Windows, mainly because I know how it works. Another thing that drives me against Apple is their bullsh*t adverts.

"Hello I'm a Mac,"
"And I'm a PC"
"I'm cooler than you, look see how I play iTunes and iMovie"
"Wow that's so true, I am only good for spreadsheets and other boring grown up things."

As per the laws of the internet ...

Apple's Mighty Mouse, which has TWO buttons (plus a scroller and some not-so-useful stuff) has been included with their desktops for at least a year. By the way, you can still "right"-click with the old mice; just hold down control (not command) when you click. Neruo, if you don't like control-clicking, you could always bring your own mouse to the university.

Originally Posted by goldney

Just my personal preference but I prefer Windows, mainly because I know how it works. Another thing that drives me against Apple is their bullsh*t adverts.

"Hello I'm a Mac,"
"And I'm a PC"
"I'm cooler than you, look see how I play iTunes and iMovie"
"Wow that's so true, I am only good for spreadsheets and other boring grown up things."

Lol, I love those ads. They make me laugh

Um... doesn't the mighty mouse come standard with Macs now? It has two buttons and a scroll wheel.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Um... doesn't the mighty mouse come standard with Macs now? It has two buttons and a scroll wheel.

See my post ...

Macs are great and quick to set up when you get them. But they're a nightmare to troubleshoot and their harddrives last about 5 days.

Originally Posted by Squall

But they're a nightmare to troubleshoot

I find troubleshooting Mac OS X to be much easier than troubleshooting Windows. The former usually involves trashing .plist files or even a simple restart, whereas the latter often requires booting into Knoppix to back up the entire hard drive, running a virus/spyware/trojan/other malware scanner, and sometimes even erasing the entire hard drive and reinstalling from scratch.

Originally Posted by Squall

their harddrives last about 5 days.

What makes you say that? I've never had a hard drive problem in my 5+ years using Macs.

But they're a nightmare to troubleshoot and their harddrives last about 5 days.

I've had this mac for 7 years. never a hard drive problem...

Mac=secure. Windows=spyware, viruses, etc. I don't use the security on this mac. I can go to any site and know I will not get any viruses from it. No cleaning the volume or whatever when you start up the computer. No spyware scans. I will admit the advertisements are a bit irritating and childish. But the computer is superior, especially for media stuff. Factory default wise, windows is far better for gaming though. By a long shot. But, I'm not a gamer anymore, so I'll stick with mac.

Originally Posted by Squall

But they're a nightmare to troubleshoot and their harddrives last about 5 days.

They're UNIX, tech people would always prefer to troubleshoot a UNIX platform than Windows. Lots of errors in Windows come from the registry

I've had my iBook for 2 years and I've not had one drive error, I have a System 8 machine at home that I've had for 10 years and it still runs fine. Maybe you're thinking of the iPod battery?

Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker

they come bundled with programs for idiots, and the actual operating system is quite complicated to get used to compared to windows

Again, it's UNIX, it's a very simple operating system when you get used to it.

What programs are for idiots? iLife? I couldn't go a day without iTunes.
BTW: anything that you do in iTunes can be undone by pressing Command + Z, same as every other application.

Apple has a two button mouse... it just looks like a one button. Been out 3 or 4 years now.

Advise for Windows: 360 scroll wheel.

Kind of unnecessary.

Real men click the scroll wheel to produce the 4-way arrows and scroll using them, Apple doesn't have the advantage there.

If you want more flexible scrolling you can get a track pad. Two finger scrolling is much easier than clicking that stupid wheel.

Originally Posted by goldney

Kind of unnecessary.

Real men click the scroll wheel to produce the 4-way arrows and scroll using them, Apple doesn't have the advantage there.

Err, except the 360 scroll wheel not having to click down to go all four ways..and just doing it... already (and also acting as a third mouse button when you click it).

Originally Posted by WhiteUnit

Err, except the 360 scroll wheel not having to click down to go all four ways..and just doing it... already (and also acting as a third mouse button when you click it).

I'm okay with having to click it. Again the scroll wheel can also act as a third button. I use it regularly for opening new tabs from links.

Luckily Apple accommodates that too. You can goto Apple>System Preferences>Keyboards and Shortcuts, and adjust it there (actually comes standard that way, for those who would be freaked out by 360 degree scrolling all the time.)

The Mighty Mouse has some nice features, most of which have already been covered in this thread, but it also has some cons. Most notably, the mouse differentiates left and right clicks based on touch because it doesn't have separate left and right buttons internally. This means that you are forced to lift your index finger from the mouse every time you right-click---a real annoyance and slight productivity detractor when using certain programs, particularly games or graphics editors. Another not-so-great thing about the Mighty Mouse is that the middle button, although useful for scrolling, is not as easy to click as the middle button is on a simple 3 button mouse (especially the UNIX/X11-specific kind with a regular middle button as opposed to a scroller). With those cons aside, however, the Mighty Mouse is an attractive mouse, especially for daily computer use.

Since we're on the subject of Apple pointing devices, I feel compelled to point (no pun was originally intended) out that the the two-finger scrolling mechanism on the more recent Apple trackpads (those found on MacBook and MacBook Pro models) is much more practical and ergonomic than any other scrolling mechanism I've ever seen on a mouse or trackpad. Of course, the most productive option would be not to use a mouse at all, but I'm sure most people here, myself included, would find it awkward to adjust to a fully keyboard-controlled environment (although mind isn't that far from one...).