Thread: Apple going into gaming market

the DS is that horrible on RAM? Holy damn, how the hell does it even run, how can mine even play games?

Also, will be interesting to see where apple goes with this, maybe even their own console? The applebox?

Apple released a game console once, it was actually the first one to have an internet connection. It was called the Pippen, but it didn't take off.

They might push the AppleTV as a gaming console, it's just got more RAM and CPU power than anything else, however it doesn't have next-gen graphics hardware.

Well, once this happens and takes off, it will be the true beginning of the end for Micro$oft.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Well, once this happens and takes off, it will be the true beginning of the end for Micro$oft.

Hahahahahaha...

No.

I think he meant in the gaming market, and it very well could. Microsoft isn't doing to well on that front. They're way behind Sony and Nintendo. And with the flop of DirectX 10 more companies are going cross platform. The only thing really keeping the Xbox alive is Bungie.

Well, it really all depends on how Apple gets the games to work.

I, for one, am going to stick with PCs because I'm way more used to them and love the right-click feature...
I also like the way programs look in Windows and that you can FULL SCREEN THEM.
I hate opening up Photoshop on a Mac, only to have NO BACKGROUND and I can't maximize the picture. So when I click outside the picture, it brings me to the desktop which I don't like to do.

And if Macs start getting games, then they are going to have to start sending out mice with the ability to right-click because doing an open-apple click just isn't going to work on games to do a secondary fire or whatever...

Also, mouse wheel.

I'm not really a fan of Apple, anymore than a fan of MS
but Macs have supported multi-button mice since OS 8

just go out & buy one

as I understand it though,
multi-button mice goes against the "Apple design philosophy" or some such - which is why they don't ship by default on Mac systems

Originally Posted by Ynot

I'm not really a fan of Apple, anymore than a fan of MS
but Macs have supported multi-button mice since OS 8

just go out & buy one

as I understand it though,
multi-button mice goes against the "Apple design philosophy" or some such - which is why they don't ship by default on Mac systems

What kind of philosophy is that?

Originally Posted by slayer

What kind of philosophy is that?

theirs....

(blimey, don't get involved with the different design concepts of Gnome or KDE - you'll have a fit)

Macs ship with [i]4[i] button mice. A right click, left click, clickable 4 way scroll wheel, and a pinch button.

EA releases almost all of its games for Mac, so does id.

Uh, why can't you minimize your images in Photoshop? I can. What do you mean no background? Mine start with a default white background. You can also maximize your window too, I'm not sure why you can't. Doesn't it bring you to the desktop when you click outside a window in Windows too?

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Macs ship with [i]4[i] button mice. A right click, left click, clickable 4 way scroll wheel, and a pinch button.

EA releases almost all of its games for Mac, so does id.

Uh, why can't you minimize your images in Photoshop? I can. What do you mean no background? Mine start with a default white background. You can also maximize your window too, I'm not sure why you can't. Doesn't it bring you to the desktop when you click outside a window in Windows too?

When I bring up Photoshop on a Mac, it brings up the tools and layers stuff, then it just brings up the document. I can still see the desktop, so I have to drag the window to make it larger so I don't accidently click out of the window.

I can go to the view fullscreen thing...but I don't like the way that looks. And there isn't a maximize button in photoshop. Theres the minimize, close, and I forget the other button, but it doesn't maximize it. No idea why...

Maybe it's just the school's computers?

It's the zoom button. It chooses the best size automatically, very rarely is it full screen. Usually it chooses the size of the document.

If PC gaming goes down because Microsoft fucks up DirectX, I will take a stool sample and mail it to their headquarters.

I haven't been a Mac OS X fanboy since I switched to Linux full time, but it's pretty funny how many incorrect notions people have about Apple products. Mac OS has supported multi-button mice for at least 10 years, and Apple mice have had the ability to right-click for the last three years (since August of 2005).

PC gaming will not disappear, there will just be a major migration to cross platform. Meaning that most games will come out on both computer platforms and more consoles too. Only OpenGL offers that.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

PC gaming will not disappear, there will just be a major migration to cross platform. Meaning that most games will come out on both computer platforms and more consoles too. Only OpenGL offers that.

although, I can see game studios wanting to drop PC games
(meaning general purpose computers, regardless of OS)
as it's far easier to implement DRM and anti-copy measures if you control the hardware

Apple could come up surprise favourites here for game studios
as Apple are to the computing world, what diamond dealers are to the jewellery business

It's not an "official" diamond unless it's come out of a select few, tightly controlled mines
Make it in a lab, and it's an unofficial "knock-off", even though you get the exact same thing

It's not an official mac unless it's running on the "official" hardware

Apple could, in theory, get into bed with software producers, and implement hardware level DRM on their hardware

I think Apple's kind of paranoid about their hardware. In the past year there were two companies that offered Mac Clones, both were sued. One went under and the other one countersued and is still fighting.

The problem is that there is that if Apple implements a good DRM the quality will start to decline like it did with Microsoft. Part of the reason that Windows is so unstable is because Microsoft had to get it to work on thousands of configurations, where as Apple has to make theirs work on maybe a dozen.

Apple also has the freedom to implement brand new technology at their whim. Microsoft has to get the hardware producers to keep up. Examples are that Macs have built in accelerometers like the iPhone and an embedded H.264 chip. Because the company makes both software and hardware they worked the instant they were ready instead of one company making the accelerometer hardware and waiting for Microsoft to implement it or the other way around.

I think HP is catching onto that too. Weren't they the company that at least partially ditched Windows and are currently working on their own Linux-based OS? More and more people are switching to Linux. I have some friends using it who aren't geeks like us. My father is writer and completely computer illiterate, yet he uses Ubuntu. He was tired of writing half a chapter and then having Word crash.

The only way companies will be able to make games truly cross platform regardless of OS would be if they did it in Java, which is impossible. Java is just too slow.


A bit of irony: Even though I bitch about DirectX10, I'm actually going to be using it for a game I'm working on

Originally Posted by ninja9578

The only way companies will be able to make games truly cross platform regardless of OS would be if they did it in Java

or any other platform independent language...

Well, if Apple is going to go gaming...then their going to have to do something about their machines to support things like graphics cards and sound cards.

And I tried that maximize zoom thing in a Mac today in my Computers 2 class and I still could click on the desktop...that annoys me. I like Windows because I can move my mouse all the way over to the side without having to worry about selecting something on the desktop on accident.

And I hear a lot about Linux...but I'm not really sure what it is.

were these macs donated to your school?
possibly by Honest Andy's Discount Apples

they need to support graphics & sound cars??

If their moving up to games...then they are going to have to be upgradable instead of just buying a whole new computer.

I don't think someone would want to spend like $600 or so on a new computer just to stay up-to-date with new games.

I have a 3 year old computer and I just bought it a new powersupply and graphics card for like $75 total and I can play PORTAL and FEAR at max settings no lag.

They need to be able to allow users to upgrade their graphics cards and other things inside their computer. A onboard card just won't do it forever...

They support Radeon and nVidia graphics cards, what other major graphics cards are there?

How do you select the desktop in Windows if you can't do it by clicking on it? Seems like that would be a pain in the ass.

You simply minimize what you have open, or move it out of the way. You don't have to click on the desktop at all.

And I can't think of any others to name, but there are some big cards out there...

You have to minimize what you are working on or move it to another desktop in order to access the desktop? That sounds like a pain in the ass. What happens if you need to drag something out of your program and place it on the desktop or vice versa?