Thread: Mzzkc's Comprehensive WILD Guide

this guide is pro.

And just a quick few questions:

Environmental anchors - say if I use my clock as one, is the idea of it that my clock would I don't know...tick faster which would help me realise the transition from reality to dream world has been completed, or is it purely to keep your brain awake for when the transition happens?

Also, does one open their eyes upon WILDing, thus seeing the dreamscape before them (FA), or does a dreamscape form with their eyes still closed?
Just I'm a bit baffled about the eyes.


ty

Originally Posted by Different

Environmental anchors - say if I use my clock as one, is the idea of it that my clock would I don't know...tick faster which would help me realise the transition from reality to dream world has been completed, or is it purely to keep your brain awake for when the transition happens?

Both, sorta. Ideally, your Environmental Anchor will completely disappear once you get through the transition. In practice, however, you'll sometimes have Environmental Anchors bleed into the dream. Music, for instance, has been known to occasionally follow dreamers into lucidity.

Originally Posted by Different

Also, does one open their eyes upon WILDing, thus seeing the dreamscape before them (FA), or does a dreamscape form with their eyes still closed?
Just I'm a bit baffled about the eyes.

You never have to open your real eyes. Sometimes, the dream may form with you lying in bed with your dream eyes closed. It's good practice to RC, in order to confirm you're asleep, before opening your dream eyes. My best advice is that you don't focus on this process too much and let your brain sort it all out on its own.

just came across this guide, very well written, im new to all of this and I was using the mental anchor of lucid dreaming itself, I would focus on not letting my mind wander and stay focused on the fact that I will maintain my awareness, is this an effective way of using a mental anchor?

I have an idea for an anchor. How about observing the assoications that your brain makes and realising the randomness of some. This will help in staying awake and may also result in a DILD becouse before sleep you were already criticaly thinking about the random images/sounds/ideas that came up which also come up in a dream.

Originally Posted by Bmahon26

just came across this guide, very well written, im new to all of this and I was using the mental anchor of lucid dreaming itself, I would focus on not letting my mind wander and stay focused on the fact that I will maintain my awareness, is this an effective way of using a mental anchor?

As long as you can do all that passively and you have no trouble falling asleep, it's fine. Personally, that approach always kept me too awake.

Originally Posted by dreamspinner

I have an idea for an anchor. How about observing the assoications that your brain makes and realising the randomness of some. This will help in staying awake and may also result in a DILD becouse before sleep you were already criticaly thinking about the random images/sounds/ideas that came up which also come up in a dream.

Observing thoughts is fine, and has been shown to work. However, if you take too much notice of those thoughts and/or try to control them, you'll probably be disrupting the process too much. It's worth a shot, but I have my doubts it would be an effective anchor. Still, don't let that stop your from experimenting with it.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

Both, sorta. Ideally, your Environmental Anchor will completely disappear once you get through the transition. In practice, however, you'll sometimes have Environmental Anchors bleed into the dream. Music, for instance, has been known to occasionally follow dreamers into lucidity.



You never have to open your real eyes. Sometimes, the dream may form with you lying in bed with your dream eyes closed. It's good practice to RC, in order to confirm you're asleep, before opening your dream eyes. My best advice is that you don't focus on this process too much and let your brain sort it all out on its own.

Can you please offer me some advice as to what I did wrong/just a general comment.
This happened last night in the middle of the night. Presumably an unintentional WILD?

'I'm lying in my bed. Next thing I know, I feel that I'm standing. Then I'm lying down. I look at my radiator on the other side of my bed, by my feet. I notice it has significantly moved and looks strange. Then I turn around. Pitch black. I do a nose plug reality check. I can breathe. Utter darkness. I just don't know what's going on, and try to wake up. I TRY TO OPEN MY EYES - I CAN'T. But when I think of my real body, I get back into my real body, and can move it. I close my eyes again and get straight back into this pitch black place; standing in what I think should be my room. I consider just jumping forward, hoping I'm lucid, but I resist this urge, with the doubt that if I'm not dreaming, I'm going to get hurt like an idiot. Also, I tried screaming 'DAD!' but I didn't hear anything come out of my mouth. I manage to get back into my real body again, and then end up sleeping as per normal. The dream after this was a DILD lucid dream.'

I mean, to me, it sounds like you had a string of odd FAs. Not really sure what triggered it, but I can't say very well say it was a WILD since the only thing I know before the whole mess started is that you were lying in bed.

Whenever I try to WILD I forget and move around. Then i remember and think "damn!". I tense up a lot aswell, no matter how much stretching out i do beforehand :/

It's a work in progress.

I'm not sure what happened. For the past two weeks I have been attempting to WILD every night. For the first week I seemed to be getting better at it, with three successful WILDs. But more recently I can't seem to do it right anymore. I know basically how I'm suppose to do it, what mindset and such, but I can't seem to do it as well. I end up being uncomfortable and moving, or thinking too much. I guess I suddenly got more anxious about it.
Perhaps thinking "I'm getting better at this" made me too excited or something.

Hey guys, i hope you make it to the other side. I am still at the noob phase of everything. Still i got one question regarding this method. Can i think of music in the back of my head and then just concentrate on what words come next in the song untill i get IH sounds from it? Will that work?

Peace

Well, this post made a lot of sense to me, because last week, I had a WILD attempt that landed me with TONS of false awakenings, and had I been wearing a mask, I could've said, "Where's your mask?" Of course, in one false awakening, the lights were magically on, and I didn't question that at all. But if I fell asleep thinking, "Mask? Check. -- Dog, Pound, Cake, Frosting, Snow... Mask? Check.", I might have became lucid faster.

So I got a sleep mask, put in my earplugs, and played some Isotones that I made last night that dipped between 4Hz and 12Hz, and laid in my "sleep chamber" (ie. closet). I felt myself INSTANTLY about to fall asleep, and confused, "Wait, what am I supposed to do now? I'm wearing my mask? Eh, yeah... now what? Um, I guess I'll count to 4, wiggle my toe, mental check the mask..." and I was asleep.

Didn't WILD, just fell asleep. I'm a little fuzzy about all this now.

Originally Posted by Raspberry

Whenever I try to WILD I forget and move around. Then i remember and think "damn!". I tense up a lot aswell, no matter how much stretching out i do beforehand :/

It's a work in progress.

Just relax. ^.^

Before you WILD, take your mind off everything else by listening to some nice music, reading a book, or whatever you normally do to clear your head and loosen up.

Originally Posted by insideout

I'm not sure what happened. For the past two weeks I have been attempting to WILD every night. For the first week I seemed to be getting better at it, with three successful WILDs. But more recently I can't seem to do it right anymore. I know basically how I'm suppose to do it, what mindset and such, but I can't seem to do it as well. I end up being uncomfortable and moving, or thinking too much. I guess I suddenly got more anxious about it.
Perhaps thinking "I'm getting better at this" made me too excited or something.

I've run into this a couple time myself. You have to be humble about the skill, or else you might feel like you've got a lot to live up to and every WILD attempt is super important. If you place too much importance on succeeding you might set yourself up for a loop of failures, as a direct result of the altered mindset. Remember, it's alright to fail! It's not like that attempt was the last of your life or anything.

Hopefully, anyways. >.>

Originally Posted by totow

Hey guys, i hope you make it to the other side. I am still at the noob phase of everything. Still i got one question regarding this method. Can i think of music in the back of my head and then just concentrate on what words come next in the song untill i get IH sounds from it? Will that work?

Peace

Are you listening to music here, or just recalling the lyrics? In either case, as long as you can do it passively, you're set. Different things work for different people, so you'll never know what works for you unless you experiment.

Originally Posted by oneironeer

Well, this post made a lot of sense to me, because last week, I had a WILD attempt that landed me with TONS of false awakenings, and had I been wearing a mask, I could've said, "Where's your mask?" Of course, in one false awakening, the lights were magically on, and I didn't question that at all. But if I fell asleep thinking, "Mask? Check. -- Dog, Pound, Cake, Frosting, Snow... Mask? Check.", I might have became lucid faster.

So I got a sleep mask, put in my earplugs, and played some Isotones that I made last night that dipped between 4Hz and 12Hz, and laid in my "sleep chamber" (ie. closet). I felt myself INSTANTLY about to fall asleep, and confused, "Wait, what am I supposed to do now? I'm wearing my mask? Eh, yeah... now what? Um, I guess I'll count to 4, wiggle my toe, mental check the mask..." and I was asleep.

Didn't WILD, just fell asleep. I'm a little fuzzy about all this now.

It takes a bit of mental discipline to hold on without falling completely asleep. You're on the right track, but I don't think I can give you any specific advice besides emphasizing the importance of practice. I'm not sure what effects the isos had, but there's a lot you can play around with here.

Will be trying this tonight. I plan n using my air purifier for an anchor since I leave it on all night anyway. Thanks!

I tried this technique (well, BillyBob's and this I guess) this morning. I woke up, but was so groggy (and scared that I'd wake myself up too much) that I just resorted to doing a bunch of reality checks to awaken the logic center of my rain. I then tried a various number of anchors: an air purifier in my room, but when that wasn't working, I tried counting. finally, I placed my hand under my back and eventually entered into a dream. It was perfectly real, but it wasn't lucid, nor was I aware I was dreaming. So I guess I have a question: How do you be "passive"? Like, what exactly are you saying? In my opinion, I'm passively aware of everything, so some clarity on what that may feel like or watever would be appreciated, secondly, Am I supposed to keep my mind awake or try to fall asleep fully? Like, you mentioned to a user above how you need to "hold on"... hold on to what may I ask? Anyhow, I know you've probably explained all this as best you can, but it doesn't make any sense to me in these terms with little explanation, so whatever you could do to try and represent it better and give me a "road map" or sorts would be especially helpfull. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2

I tried this technique (well, BillyBob's and this I guess) this morning. I woke up, but was so groggy (and scared that I'd wake myself up too much) that I just resorted to doing a bunch of reality checks to awaken the logic center of my rain. I then tried a various number of anchors: an air purifier in my room, but when that wasn't working, I tried counting. finally, I placed my hand under my back and eventually entered into a dream. It was perfectly real, but it wasn't lucid, nor was I aware I was dreaming. So I guess I have a question: How do you be "passive"? Like, what exactly are you saying? In my opinion, I'm passively aware of everything, so some clarity on what that may feel like or watever would be appreciated, secondly, Am I supposed to keep my mind awake or try to fall asleep fully? Like, you mentioned to a user above how you need to "hold on"... hold on to what may I ask? Anyhow, I know you've probably explained all this as best you can, but it doesn't make any sense to me in these terms with little explanation, so whatever you could do to try and represent it better and give me a "road map" or sorts would be especially helpfull. Thanks.

The best analogy I can make to describe the passivity requires that you have some experience floating in a calm ocean or a somewhat busy pool. Letting the waves flow about you, like thoughts would drift around your head, as you simply lie there, exerting yourself, your awareness, just enough to stay above the water, but letting everything else simply sink below the surface, fall just beneath the troughs, is essentially the passive state you're aiming for when WILDing. To further the analogy a bit more, if the water is too turbulent, your thoughts too active, you'll likely get distracted by a sudden rush every now again, which will hamper how well you can serenely float.

I hope that helps a bit, sorry this reply was so late. =(

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

The best analogy I can make to describe the passivity requires that you have some experience floating in a calm ocean or a somewhat busy pool. Letting the waves flow about you, like thoughts would drift around your head, as you simply lie there, exerting yourself, your awareness, just enough to stay above the water, but letting everything else simply sink below the surface, fall just beneath the troughs, is essentially the passive state you're aiming for when WILDing. To further the analogy a bit more, if the water is too turbulent, your thoughts too active, you'll likely get distracted by a sudden rush every now again, which will hamper how well you can serenely float.

I hope that helps a bit, sorry this reply was so late. =(

Actually that makes sense to me, and it's better late than never. I am currently working on Awakening my third eye and wonder if this "floating" you speak of is somewhat like meditating?

so this pain anchor i want to try, if i use that do i just focus on the pain or what?

Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2

Actually that makes sense to me, and it's better late than never. I am currently working on Awakening my third eye and wonder if this "floating" you speak of is somewhat like meditating?

It's very similar, yes.

Originally Posted by Fluffyp

so this pain anchor i want to try, if i use that do i just focus on the pain or what?

Just enough to keep you aware. But not so much as to keep you from falling asleep.

Thanks to your tutorial and Billybob's tutorial I reached SP, but I couldn't progress further due to certain factors (time limit on my nap, and distractions). I feel as if I can perform the WILD fully tonight and go lucid. Thanks for the insight!

Originally Posted by Nufeather1

Thanks to your tutorial and Billybob's tutorial I reached SP, but I couldn't progress further due to certain factors (time limit on my nap, and distractions). I feel as if I can perform the WILD fully tonight and go lucid. Thanks for the insight!

How'd it end up going, if you don't mind me asking?

Originally Posted by Nufeather1

Thanks to your tutorial and Billybob's tutorial I reached SP, but I couldn't progress further due to certain factors (time limit on my nap, and distractions). I feel as if I can perform the WILD fully tonight and go lucid. Thanks for the insight!

Thing is though, you wont WILD at night. Best to try during the day, maybe 7am and onwards.

Originally Posted by Different

this guide is pro.

And just a quick few questions:

Environmental anchors - say if I use my clock as one, is the idea of it that my clock would I don't know...tick faster which would help me realise the transition from reality to dream world has been completed, or is it purely to keep your brain awake for when the transition happens?

Also, does one open their eyes upon WILDing, thus seeing the dreamscape before them (FA), or does a dreamscape form with their eyes still closed?
Just I'm a bit baffled about the eyes.


ty

Did you get the idea of the clock ticking faster from inception? If so, and you are saying the time is moving faster, than that is incorrect. The only way the clock would start ticking faster is if you are already in the dream world and you believe it will tick faster, thus it might tick faster. And if it does, the you'll know your dreaming and you have transitioned, thus proving your theory to be correct in this instantance lol. So you would be correct in this situation if you understood that at all lol.

Originally Posted by Shadowmilo

Thing is though, you wont WILD at night. Best to try during the day, maybe 7am and onwards.

I'm sure he meant during a WBTB, which is a perfectly legitimate time to WILD. And 7am might be pushing it for some people, especially if they go to bed early.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

How'd it end up going, if you don't mind me asking?

So far I haven't been lucid yet since first attempting this WILD method (and the WILD in general), but there is a reason behind that; I haven't been sleeping in a proper scheduele, my sleeping patterns we're off and my concentration has been down. I plan on going back to this method, but first I need to set out the proper fundamentals to help me succeed with this method ( setting a certain sleep pattern up, focus more on the whole process (not when going to bed obviously so I can drift into sleep), and rebuilding my dream recall (seeing as I took a little break)). I plan on becoming more familar with the WILD technique over my summer break. I'll come back to you Mzzkc if I have any questions about the WILD.