Thread: WILD experiences with abnormal sleep patterns?

One thing I've noticed about late night attempts whether it be LD's or WILD's is that it has produced some of my most vivid DILD's (no WILD's yet), but one thing of note is it seems if you're really tired that it'll carry over into the dream I've noticed I'll be extremely lazy within the dream and myself in the dream just won't perform RC's and because as you know your consciousness in the dream is often not what you want it to be, in the case of late night LD's its much worse because you never even notice that you're aren't performing RC's and don't take advantage of the experience. In a nutshell therefore I'd say late night attempts are terrible.

What you experience was definitely a semi-WILD, but likely because you were tired maintaining consciousness just won't work.

Of course time affects how you go into the dream if thats your question its precisely why WBTB is utilized, but in that case its because you're actually at the longer REM Periods, your REM periods go like this basically:

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WBTB is used so you can enter that longer REM period and so that you can find the time you exit one so you can instantly jump into the other, WILD's tend to not work when performing a WBTB purely because your body is still in the middle of a REM cycle and isn't ready to enter another, this means you may hit SP but no dream will form which can be frustrating but its a indication of how important time experimentation is.

When you have a late night dream often what will happen is you'll experience a REM Rebound, this is where you'll be shoved straight into a long REM period, which perfectly explains times when I've been extremely exhausted but have gone to bed at a normal time yet I have a extremely vivid dream without any WBTB.

Thank you but I'm not completely sure if I understand. How could it be worse with late night WILD attempts if I would be just as tired waking up at a different time? Like if I woke up at 5 AM after 6 hours of sleep or at 10 AM after 6 hours of sleep, would there really be a difference in how tired I am?

Firstly you have a different state of mind, from my experience having late-night LD's causes laziness, within the dream and outside of the dream. When you go to bed later/are exhausted your mind signals to bring deeper sleep faster, thus a REM rebound occurs, you may have a more vivid experience but it is normally fractured and when performing a WBTB its much easier to lose consciousness, making WILD's which are already a pain in the ass even more difficult.

You also have to bare in mind levels of light, when we receive little light (and mid-REM) the amount of melatonin in our body increases to aid with deeper sleep, when we're exposed to light aka at 10am that amount of melatonin reduces (because our bodies naturally registers sunlight), making it harder to enter sleep/a deeper stage of sleep. We have a natarual body clock too and it works on a 25 hour ricardian rhythm, the experiment by Nathaniel Kleitman and Bruce Richardson is clear evidence of that, both researches remained in a cave for 33 days, using a watch they learnt their body clock adjusted an hour behind actual time outside the cave. It shows that our body has a innate need for sleep at a certain time even when light isn't the issue.

There are tons of health concerns aswell with late night sleeping/sleeping in a brightly lit environment. Those issues include sleep problems.

My initial post though was more in regard to without WBTB, which I thought you leaning towards in the OP. In regard to WBTB its bad practice (bare in mind the above issues). Take a scenario where you use WBTB at 5am all the time, such a schedule makes it easier to obtain lucidity because your body and yourself are prepared for certain nuances and can prepare for them in advance, its the same reason behind the Alarm Clock scenario, if you have an Alarm Clock set to a specific time every day your body will begin to wake you up before the alarm so it isn't suddenly shocked into awakening. Look up the CAN-WILD method or Custom Alarm Noise - Wake Initiated Lucid Dream, which actually makes use of this sleep characteristic. Read through that and you will begin to understand how vital and hugely important time can be for lucid dreamers. Another reason its bad practice is because you may end up obtaining a WILD or DILD purely because of your tiredness, and this may lead you to assume you can attempt a WILD at a normal time inevitably you'll likely fail due a differing mind state.