Thread: a question to WILDers

Tell me about sensations. But please keep in mind that it's only about WILDs, not OBEs or OBE-typed WILDs, I'm trying to find out something.

When you WILD can you feel:

strong "vibrations"
your body shaking on your bed
a feeling as if something is forcibly ripping you out of your body

?

My vibrations have never been quite strong.

The noises have always been more prominent than the feelings that come with them. What I've felt is similar to lying in a vibrating chair, and if you were to press your ear to it, you would probably hear something similar sounding to the noises I experience. That mixed with white noise, that is how best I can describe what I hear. Also, many times I have heard muffled mumbling...

The vibrations start at one end of my body and continue to the other, and this is repeated. The feeling has always seemed comparable to a small wave. The vibrations get higher in pitch until I finally enter the dream.

Thanx, another question to you, how do you enter the dream, is your body somehow used in the process or you do it visually? And what happens to the vibrations and sounds? Please describe.

It sort of just happens.

Its kind of like day dreaming, but this time you sort of jump into it.

When you WILD can you feel:

strong "vibrations"
your body shaking on your bed
a feeling as if something is forcibly ripping you out of your body

?

Hi Arutad.

Nope , I don't feel anything like that at all. I feel very light when I'm about to enter a WILD and as for how the image develops there have been two types for me , first one I enter through a tunnel... I know that sounds weird but it has happen so many times... and the other feels like a flash light is being pointed at my face and suddenly my eyelids are open.

I hope that helps.

Originally Posted by Arutad

Thanx, another question to you, how do you enter the dream, is your body somehow used in the process or you do it visually? And what happens to the vibrations and sounds? Please describe.

I guess I unintentionally enter the dream by visualizations - only once did I visualize nothing, and the only notable thing that happened then was that I appeared in my room instead of a random dream scene. During the majority of the "transition phase" I'll see the common hypnagogic hallucinations(random swirling patterns). Eventually I'll become aware of forming images: I usually take no part in creating them, they just...appear.

If I keep still, they will fully form into a dream and the noises/feelings ultimately fade.

Sometimes there will be a bit of twitching but not that strong. It's not like epileptic spasmes but tiny vibrations. Sort of like when you sit on your leg and your foot goes numb, or when you lie on your arm etc. This feeling in parts of your body, not just in your feet/hands, your face too etc.

Often I will feel like I'm levitating a little and lose contact with my body. Then before I float out in the dream I hear a white noise.

By the time I have gotten into a WILD, I no longer feel my body at all, and I need to form a disposable dream body for myself. On one occasion, a dream about an OOBE, there was shaking. Of course, there is always the occasional spontaneous orgasm. On the other hand, for what I would catagorize in retrospect as an OOBE, I am a body of electricity, can hear and feel EM currents in powerlines, and see night-scope levels of some entirely different spectrum of light.

So it seems that during WILDs at least vibrations are present, or some sensation more or less equal to them. That's interesting. Somehow I always assumed that nothing like that happens during WILDs, only during OBE-typed WILDs. I guess I didn't have enough WILDs to really compare them to OBEs and made wrong conclusions.

Post on please, I'm interested to hear what everybody has to say.

Originally Posted by starry eyes

By the time I have gotten into a WILD, I no longer feel my body at all, and I need to form a disposable dream body for myself.

Is that a WILD or an OBE? I asked to describe only pure WILDs in the beginning, that's why I'm wondering now...

Well, I've only had a successful WILD once, but one two occassions I've felt the vibrations.
For me, they felt like 10000 volts of painless electricity surging through my body. It was actually pretty cool at first, but after awhile the novelty wore off and they started getting annoying. The good news about them is that once you get in this state, as long as you don't get too scared it is fairly easy to transition to the dream state.
However, most people don't feel these vibrations, and I've only felt them a few times. Still, they're pretty cool and useful.

Originally Posted by mjstopgun

For me, they felt like 10000 volts of painless electricity surging through my body.

How dramatic!

Originally Posted by debussy

That can be during transition but also before, after lying for a longer period and just focusing on dreaming you can lose touch with the bed and body.

Explain OBE-typed WILD.

Thanx. I have two more questions for you.

You said that you feel yourself lifting out of your body, and then you float into the dream. I'm interested in the transition between you feeling yourself in your "second body" and you finding yourself in another "body" in your dream. How does this transition happen?

And the second question, out of curiosity. How did you decide that what's happening doesn't resemble an OBE, after all you do have a feeling of separation and float out of your body at first?

As for the term "OBE-typed WILD", it's a classical OBE, I called it that in hope that in this case nobody will get an idea to start discussing whether the two have anything in common here. I think that their entry phase is not that different as I thought before. If you can even float out of your body during a WILD, as you say, well, that's totally news for me... It makes the two closer than ever.

I always judged by myself about these things before, nice to see how you're proving my previous opinions wrong




menelvagor, what about relaxing and letting everything happen on its own? If you already have such strong sensations, it's unlikely that they'll stop entirely once you relax.

Originally Posted by Arutad

Is that a WILD or an OBE? I asked to describe only pure WILDs in the beginning, that's why I'm wondering now...

Yes, that was for my pure WILDs, with one exception no shaking etc. By the time I've arrived in the WILD state, I no longer have bodily sensation and must form a new one.

That being seperate from what I would catagorize as my less common OOBEs which I also get from the same technique. My "genuine" OOBEs not involving shaking either, but as my bodily sensation are being lost the sensations of what I am tentatively calling a body of electricity take their place.

My first and only WILD had no sensation. Just SP then after that right into dream. Just BANG, it was there. This was a WILD with WBTB.

Originally Posted by debussy

Often I will feel like I'm levitating a little and lose contact with my body. Then before I float out in the dream I hear a white noise.

That's during a WILD transitional phase right?..

I'm a little lost why you describe it as a WILD and not as an OBE-typed WILD, is there any particular reason for that?

Originally Posted by Arutad

That's during a WILD transitional phase right?..

I'm a little lost why you describe it as a WILD and not as an OBE-typed WILD, is there any particular reason for that?

That can be during transition but also before, after lying for a longer period and just focusing on dreaming you can lose touch with the bed and body.

Explain OBE-typed WILD.

Arutad, I have very similar experience to you every single time I attempt a WILD, including very strong vibrations, my body feels like it is pulsing against my bed and i'm bouncing, my heart jumps out of my chest and I forget how to breathe.

It's at that point that I can tell that I'm on the verge of transferring into dreamstate, but I have to continue trying if I'm to get any further, which I certainly will. If I can come up with anything to jump the final gap i'll let you know.

My problem is not that I'm afraid, as people have commonly reported, of the unusually strong physical reaction - just, I am not sure whether to continue breathing deeply and slowly or to just let go of my breath, or what! I've tried both of those without success. Just can't seem to convince my body to fall asleep. Let me know if you figure out anything too please !

I didn't feel anything I would call vibrations. First my eyes start twitching very fast. The next thing is this feeling of travelling through a spiral tunnel at very high speed. It feels like a rollercoaster.
It's not just the visuals, my body actually feels like beeing pinned by forces you would feel while riding a rollercoaster.

I also get an erection before entering the tunnel, don't know if that is common

However, my experience and success with WILDs is very limited, so I don't know if my answer is of any use to you.

Originally Posted by SnakeCharmer

The next thing is this feeling of travelling through a spiral tunnel at very high speed. It feels like a rollercoaster.

Dude, same here!!
By any chance while you travel in the tunnel did you hear music? like very peaceful/familiar music like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcIkIFMbUis ? Or did you see a giant eye? Was it anything like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiwFlrWJ5DU 00:52, 1:09,1:20 or any of the tunnels in that video?

I think we have experience the same thing or something similar

Originally Posted by D1r3w0lf

Dude, same here!!
By any chance while you travel in the tunnel did you hear music? like very peaceful/familiar music like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcIkIFMbUis ? Or did you see a giant eye? Was it anything like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiwFlrWJ5DU 00:52, 1:09,1:20 or any of the tunnels in that video?

I think we have experience the same thing or something similar

Most similar to 00:52. But the tunnel walls in my WILD seem solid, not made of smoke like in the video. I never heard any music. Just echoes from real world sounds.

The only giant eye I saw was when I looked through the fisheye on my front door during a nonLD. It was by far the scariest moment in my life.

Originally Posted by D1r3w0lf

Dude, same here!!
By any chance while you travel in the tunnel did you hear music? like very peaceful/familiar music like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcIkIFMbUis ? Or did you see a giant eye? Was it anything like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiwFlrWJ5DU 00:52, 1:09,1:20 or any of the tunnels in that video?
:

The whole tunnel thing is pretty common like at 00:52. I have experienced it many times, but not lately. When I use to experience this and I tried to get to the end of the tunnel I would try to fly faster, more times than not my trip would end. I have been able to get to the end of a tunnel and there is a light. In 00:52 they show the light the whole time, but usually the light is only at the end. If I got to the light, then I often would experience vibrations. Once I got through the tunnel and through the light, on the other side of the tunnel, once you cross over a point where the tunnel loops over there is a giant swirling structure everything in the swirl is getting sucked into one really small point. On the other side of the point is the tunnel. Basically what I am saying is the whole thing makes a loop. There is a very small point where the loop connects. On one side of the loop there is a really long tunnel, and on the other side of the loop there is a giant spinning vortex that nothing can escape. The general flow of the loop is to start off in the vortex, get sucked in and then get shot through the tunnel. That means to fly through the tunnel is to actually be flying backwards to the normal flow of things. So this is to say you are doing things bassackwards when you fly through the tunnel and reach the other side. It is not something that is normally done. If instead at any point you decided to do things a little more normally you can slow down instead of speeding up and fly into the wall of the tunnel. This is against intuitive nature because in our reality the end of the tunnel would be the goal, but with this experience the side of the tunnel at any point is actually more akin to "the end of the tunnel" in the physical world. This is because the side of the tunnel will actually take you someplace, not speeding up and trying to get to the end of the tunnel. If you do this you can enter into a LD no problem. I am not really sure but intuition tells me that this giant swirl/tunnel/loop phenomenon is a different way of consciousness experiencing the dimensions of space/time.

As for the eye thing. I have often seen a giant eye in my mind during meditation or times of rest. It just looks at me. There is almost always just one. I haven't figured out what it means. I should would like to know.

(sorry for going off topic)

Thanx guys, it's rewarding to read your detailed descriptions.

Originally Posted by Something Else

As for the eye thing. I have often seen a giant eye in my mind during meditation or times of rest. It just looks at me. There is almost always just one. I haven't figured out what it means. I should would like to know.

During meditation you say? The vision of an eye means nothing, rest assured. Just one of the nonsensical visions that your mind can bring forth. Unless you believe that every single detail in your dreams has meaning, too, there's no reason to think that any particular vision has meaning.

Well, unless you're paranoid and subconsciously imagine somebody watching you

ps snakecharmer great article in your sig! really refreshing : ) thanks

Originally Posted by Something Else

The whole tunnel thing is pretty common like at 00:52. I have experienced it many times, but not lately. When I use to experience this and I tried to get to the end of the tunnel I would try to fly faster, more times than not my trip would end. I have been able to get to the end of a tunnel and there is a light. In 00:52 they show the light the whole time, but usually the light is only at the end. If I got to the light, then I often would experience vibrations. Once I got through the tunnel and through the light, on the other side of the tunnel, once you cross over a point where the tunnel loops over there is a giant swirling structure everything in the swirl is getting sucked into one really small point. On the other side of the point is the tunnel. Basically what I am saying is the whole thing makes a loop. There is a very small point where the loop connects. On one side of the loop there is a really long tunnel, and on the other side of the loop there is a giant spinning vortex that nothing can escape. The general flow of the loop is to start off in the vortex, get sucked in and then get shot through the tunnel. That means to fly through the tunnel is to actually be flying backwards to the normal flow of things. So this is to say you are doing things bassackwards when you fly through the tunnel and reach the other side. It is not something that is normally done. If instead at any point you decided to do things a little more normally you can slow down instead of speeding up and fly into the wall of the tunnel. This is against intuitive nature because in our reality the end of the tunnel would be the goal, but with this experience the side of the tunnel at any point is actually more akin to "the end of the tunnel" in the physical world. This is because the side of the tunnel will actually take you someplace, not speeding up and trying to get to the end of the tunnel. If you do this you can enter into a LD no problem. I am not really sure but intuition tells me that this giant swirl/tunnel/loop phenomenon is a different way of consciousness experiencing the dimensions of space/time.

Cool , I thought I was alone in the whole Vortex of Doom(that's what I call it ) I only made it once out of it and It was very very different from my other lucid experiences and it has happen other times too , that's why I asked.

Originally Posted by Something Else

(sorry for going off topic)

That too ^