Thread: a question to WILDers

My vibrations have never been quite strong.

The noises have always been more prominent than the feelings that come with them. What I've felt is similar to lying in a vibrating chair, and if you were to press your ear to it, you would probably hear something similar sounding to the noises I experience. That mixed with white noise, that is how best I can describe what I hear. Also, many times I have heard muffled mumbling...

The vibrations start at one end of my body and continue to the other, and this is repeated. The feeling has always seemed comparable to a small wave. The vibrations get higher in pitch until I finally enter the dream.

Thanx, another question to you, how do you enter the dream, is your body somehow used in the process or you do it visually? And what happens to the vibrations and sounds? Please describe.

It sort of just happens.

Its kind of like day dreaming, but this time you sort of jump into it.

When you WILD can you feel:

strong "vibrations"
your body shaking on your bed
a feeling as if something is forcibly ripping you out of your body

?

Hi Arutad.

Nope , I don't feel anything like that at all. I feel very light when I'm about to enter a WILD and as for how the image develops there have been two types for me , first one I enter through a tunnel... I know that sounds weird but it has happen so many times... and the other feels like a flash light is being pointed at my face and suddenly my eyelids are open.

I hope that helps.

Originally Posted by Arutad

Thanx, another question to you, how do you enter the dream, is your body somehow used in the process or you do it visually? And what happens to the vibrations and sounds? Please describe.

I guess I unintentionally enter the dream by visualizations - only once did I visualize nothing, and the only notable thing that happened then was that I appeared in my room instead of a random dream scene. During the majority of the "transition phase" I'll see the common hypnagogic hallucinations(random swirling patterns). Eventually I'll become aware of forming images: I usually take no part in creating them, they just...appear.

If I keep still, they will fully form into a dream and the noises/feelings ultimately fade.

Sometimes there will be a bit of twitching but not that strong. It's not like epileptic spasmes but tiny vibrations. Sort of like when you sit on your leg and your foot goes numb, or when you lie on your arm etc. This feeling in parts of your body, not just in your feet/hands, your face too etc.

Often I will feel like I'm levitating a little and lose contact with my body. Then before I float out in the dream I hear a white noise.

By the time I have gotten into a WILD, I no longer feel my body at all, and I need to form a disposable dream body for myself. On one occasion, a dream about an OOBE, there was shaking. Of course, there is always the occasional spontaneous orgasm. On the other hand, for what I would catagorize in retrospect as an OOBE, I am a body of electricity, can hear and feel EM currents in powerlines, and see night-scope levels of some entirely different spectrum of light.

So it seems that during WILDs at least vibrations are present, or some sensation more or less equal to them. That's interesting. Somehow I always assumed that nothing like that happens during WILDs, only during OBE-typed WILDs. I guess I didn't have enough WILDs to really compare them to OBEs and made wrong conclusions.

Post on please, I'm interested to hear what everybody has to say.

Originally Posted by debussy

Often I will feel like I'm levitating a little and lose contact with my body. Then before I float out in the dream I hear a white noise.

That's during a WILD transitional phase right?..

I'm a little lost why you describe it as a WILD and not as an OBE-typed WILD, is there any particular reason for that?

Originally Posted by starry eyes

By the time I have gotten into a WILD, I no longer feel my body at all, and I need to form a disposable dream body for myself.

Is that a WILD or an OBE? I asked to describe only pure WILDs in the beginning, that's why I'm wondering now...

Well, I've only had a successful WILD once, but one two occassions I've felt the vibrations.
For me, they felt like 10000 volts of painless electricity surging through my body. It was actually pretty cool at first, but after awhile the novelty wore off and they started getting annoying. The good news about them is that once you get in this state, as long as you don't get too scared it is fairly easy to transition to the dream state.
However, most people don't feel these vibrations, and I've only felt them a few times. Still, they're pretty cool and useful.

Originally Posted by Arutad

That's during a WILD transitional phase right?..

I'm a little lost why you describe it as a WILD and not as an OBE-typed WILD, is there any particular reason for that?

That can be during transition but also before, after lying for a longer period and just focusing on dreaming you can lose touch with the bed and body.

Explain OBE-typed WILD.

Arutad, I have very similar experience to you every single time I attempt a WILD, including very strong vibrations, my body feels like it is pulsing against my bed and i'm bouncing, my heart jumps out of my chest and I forget how to breathe.

It's at that point that I can tell that I'm on the verge of transferring into dreamstate, but I have to continue trying if I'm to get any further, which I certainly will. If I can come up with anything to jump the final gap i'll let you know.

My problem is not that I'm afraid, as people have commonly reported, of the unusually strong physical reaction - just, I am not sure whether to continue breathing deeply and slowly or to just let go of my breath, or what! I've tried both of those without success. Just can't seem to convince my body to fall asleep. Let me know if you figure out anything too please !

Originally Posted by mjstopgun

For me, they felt like 10000 volts of painless electricity surging through my body.

How dramatic!

Originally Posted by debussy

That can be during transition but also before, after lying for a longer period and just focusing on dreaming you can lose touch with the bed and body.

Explain OBE-typed WILD.

Thanx. I have two more questions for you.

You said that you feel yourself lifting out of your body, and then you float into the dream. I'm interested in the transition between you feeling yourself in your "second body" and you finding yourself in another "body" in your dream. How does this transition happen?

And the second question, out of curiosity. How did you decide that what's happening doesn't resemble an OBE, after all you do have a feeling of separation and float out of your body at first?

As for the term "OBE-typed WILD", it's a classical OBE, I called it that in hope that in this case nobody will get an idea to start discussing whether the two have anything in common here. I think that their entry phase is not that different as I thought before. If you can even float out of your body during a WILD, as you say, well, that's totally news for me... It makes the two closer than ever.

I always judged by myself about these things before, nice to see how you're proving my previous opinions wrong




menelvagor, what about relaxing and letting everything happen on its own? If you already have such strong sensations, it's unlikely that they'll stop entirely once you relax.

Originally Posted by Arutad

You said that you feel yourself lifting out of your body, and then you float into the dream. I'm interested in the transition between you feeling yourself in your "second body" and you finding yourself in another "body" in your dream. How does this transition happen?

And the second question, out of curiosity. How did you decide that what's happening doesn't resemble an OBE, after all you do have a feeling of separation and float out of your body at first?

As for the term "OBE-typed WILD", it's a classical OBE, I called it that in hope that in this case nobody will get an idea to start discussing whether the two have anything in common here. I think that their entry phase is not that different as I thought before. If you can even float out of your body during a WILD, as you say, well, that's totally news for me... It makes the two closer than ever.

I can't really tell the difference between LD and OBE from what I've experienced. I've had lots of DILD:s and lots of WILD:s. They are just the same except that during a WILD I always enter my room (which is kind of obvious since it's the last thing you see before I close my eyes and the last thing I feel around me). WILD is all about "entering REM sleep with unbroken self-awareness directly from the waking state", and this is what I do.

As for the first question. I think my explanation might be confusing. One thing when I WILD is that I never SP. I lie on my back for a long time, that's when I get vibrations/numbness and sometimes feel like I'm levitating. I almost enter SP but then I turn on my side, and then float out of my body. Thus I do not experience SP since I found it more effective for me to just turn on my side and "let my body take the chance and fall asleep quickly".
When this happens I hear lots of white noise, see HI and feel myself going trough to the other side, it just feels kinda violent and crazy.

Now if this type of WILD is not what you asked for, please enlighten me of what a real WILD should be.

Originally Posted by debussy

When this happens I hear lots of white noise, see HI and feel myself going trough to the other side, it just feels kinda violent and crazy.

What do you mean by going through to the other side, do you fall into the dreamworld or get sucked in by HI? I'm trying to picture how it feels in your case.

Now if this type of WILD is not what you asked for, please enlighten me of what a real WILD should be.

Sounds like it can be anything

yeah, I just started practicing WILDs, and I seem to be having a little trouble with relaxing fully. I'm finding out interesting techniques and info on the boards though to help me through

Originally Posted by Arutad

What do you mean by going through to the other side, do you fall into the dreamworld or get sucked in by HI? I'm trying to picture how it feels in your case.


Sounds like it can be anything

I just float into blackness. Then my room appears. It's difficult to explain more then I've already said. It's almost like explaining how it feels like to turn on the light in a room..."first it's like dark...and then it's like not dark anymore...and you can see stuff...". Or explaining how psychedelic drugs are like.

Have you tried doing WILD yourself? Why don't you just find out for yourself?

I usually feel a firm, but gentle *THUD* and I feel as if my bed has just given way, or I have fallen through it. Then everything goes black, and I can't get any further in my WILD attempt.

Originally Posted by debussy

I just float into blackness. Then my room appears. It's difficult to explain more then I've already said. It's almost like explaining how it feels like to turn on the light in a room..."first it's like dark...and then it's like not dark anymore...and you can see stuff...". Or explaining how psychedelic drugs are like.

I'm getting confused. Do you find yourself in your own room eventually, or in some random dream scene, like an ocean shore?

Have you tried doing WILD yourself? Why don't you just find out for yourself?

The purpose of this thread is to find out how people other than myself experience WILDs. My own experience has limited me to thinking that you either "appear" inside of an image that you see on your mind-screen, or there's no imagery at all and then you feel various bodily sensations and get separated from your body. There are other possibilities, but these two are prevalent. Lately I started doubting all that, however, after somebody told me that they were able to feel vibrations without separation, and this indeed got confirmed in this thread.

Originally Posted by menelvagor

yeah, I just started practicing WILDs, and I seem to be having a little trouble with relaxing fully. I'm finding out interesting techniques and info on the boards though to help me through

Good luck!

Originally Posted by Arutad

I'm getting confused. Do you find yourself in your own room eventually, or in some random dream scene, like an ocean shore?

Like I said, I always enter my room when using WILD. Then I can change the scenery.

However I think it's possible I could enter somewhere else if I tried. Usually when I float out in the blackness I sort of "walk back into the room". As if I lose vision/float into the bed or the wall and then decide to make my room appear. I could probably go somewhere else but I think it's easier just to imagine my room.

So it's not like I just float into my room directly. First no vision.

Originally Posted by Arutad

Is that a WILD or an OBE? I asked to describe only pure WILDs in the beginning, that's why I'm wondering now...

Yes, that was for my pure WILDs, with one exception no shaking etc. By the time I've arrived in the WILD state, I no longer have bodily sensation and must form a new one.

That being seperate from what I would catagorize as my less common OOBEs which I also get from the same technique. My "genuine" OOBEs not involving shaking either, but as my bodily sensation are being lost the sensations of what I am tentatively calling a body of electricity take their place.

My first and only WILD had no sensation. Just SP then after that right into dream. Just BANG, it was there. This was a WILD with WBTB.

I didn't feel anything I would call vibrations. First my eyes start twitching very fast. The next thing is this feeling of travelling through a spiral tunnel at very high speed. It feels like a rollercoaster.
It's not just the visuals, my body actually feels like beeing pinned by forces you would feel while riding a rollercoaster.

I also get an erection before entering the tunnel, don't know if that is common

However, my experience and success with WILDs is very limited, so I don't know if my answer is of any use to you.