**CrazyInSane's WILD tutorial!!**

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Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2

Well I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who opened with success, only to have a train-load of failures since. What my biggest problem this morning was, was that I seemed too awake and never entered SP, despite remaining still. Any ideas? I guess I'm just scared I'll fall asleep instead of be aware, any suggestions? Thanks.

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As I said before, visualization! It's the key to success for me..
Tried this night with the music method I explained in the previous post, it horribly failed.. The track startled me awake and made me instantly move, so that didn't work out.
Weekend's coming up now, finally I'll have some time to do real testing.

My biggest problem right now is honestly motivation.. It's hard to explain, though. I'm really motivated when I go to bed, but when I suddenly wake up at 6am in the morning, all I can really think of is "I wanna sleeeeep" - the last days I've tried this method, I couldn't focus enough to actually start visualizing, I just fell straight back asleep again.. Oh well. If anyone knows a solution to that problem, please do post.

I'm sorry if this has already been addressed, I didn't read through all 14 pages of the thread...

Has anyone thought of/tried using this method but instead of it being an alarm that you use to wake you up to WILD, you could use it to play a recording of your voice (or someone else's) to give you a cue for DILDing? Something like "you're dreaming", "this is a dream", which hopefully you'll hear while dreaming and which will allow you to become lucid.

I suspect this might be a total noob question, but I actually am a noob, so :cheeky:

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Originally Posted by Kaolc

As I said before, visualization! It's the key to success for me..
Tried this night with the music method I explained in the previous post, it horribly failed.. The track startled me awake and made me instantly move, so that didn't work out.
Weekend's coming up now, finally I'll have some time to do real testing.

My biggest problem right now is honestly motivation.. It's hard to explain, though. I'm really motivated when I go to bed, but when I suddenly wake up at 6am in the morning, all I can really think of is "I wanna sleeeeep" - the last days I've tried this method, I couldn't focus enough to actually start visualizing, I just fell straight back asleep again.. Oh well. If anyone knows a solution to that problem, please do post.

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Ah, visualization. How do you mean, exactly? imagining things? I can do that but it never turns into a dream, it's like my mind is too awake to dream. Tried thisa this morning, didn't wake me up so I must have been in the m iddle of REM, but when I did weake up, I tried for half an hour to get to SP with no luck. :(

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Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2

Ah, visualization. How do you mean, exactly? imagining things? I can do that but it never turns into a dream, it's like my mind is too awake to dream. Tried thisa this morning, didn't wake me up so I must have been in the m iddle of REM, but when I did weake up, I tried for half an hour to get to SP with no luck. :(

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Search for a guide on it here.
Basically, don't just visualize it, but also imagine the feeling of the memory/whatever you're trying to incubate.. You have to not only focus on sight, but also sounds, smells, feelings and so on.

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Originally Posted by Kaolc

Search for a guide on it here.
Basically, don't just visualize it, but also imagine the feeling of the memory/whatever you're trying to incubate.. You have to not only focus on sight, but also sounds, smells, feelings and so on.

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Ah I see, ok thanks. Any advise on reaching SP? Knowing what I've said my problem seems to be?

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Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2

Ah I see, ok thanks. Any advise on reaching SP? Knowing what I've said my problem seems to be?

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Get less sleep.. Or less hours before you wake up. Try at 4½, should work better for you. It's harder to hit the REM period, though.
What I do is simply to sleep less the night before :P it works wonders. Also, just follow what I said about imagining with all your senses and it should work. Also, right as you wake up, don't even think of SP or WILDing.. Just start visualizing instantly.

I reached SP on my previous DEILD attempt just by thinking/visualizing about the dream I had. But it was a natural wake up. But still if it wakes you up from a dream just think/visualize a bit on the thing you most remember of it.

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Originally Posted by Cardeal

I reached SP on my previous DEILD attempt just by thinking/visualizing about the dream I had. But it was a natural wake up. But still if it wakes you up from a dream just think/visualize a bit on the thing you most remember of it.

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Yep, that's the best method. However, I usually don't recall any dreams when waking up after only 4½ hours of sleep. 6 hours makes me too awake, so it's a tough call. But yeah, this is the main thing everyone should do. If they don't recall any dreams, they should THEN proceed to visualize something else.

Since weeks that I cant wake up with an alarm for a DEILD... Its time to use the laptop muahahah (last resource)

Ok, thanks for all the help. Also, I'm gonna be moving into a house where the utilities aren't paid for, so what could I use for my blackberry or other methods to set a one-time alarm?

wow what a great technique. going to try it tonight. never been able to WILD and i think this might be the right technique for me. does it matter if i open my eyes when the alarm goes off? cause thats what i usually do first when my alarm wakes me up in the morning. if so, i guess ill have to practice at it

Alright so I failed, again. This time I set the alarm for 4 and a half hours, but it didn't wake me up, and I woke up at six hours. so I thought, well it's still six hours so I'll try to WBTW(sp?) but I just lay there forever, visualizing but again, felt too awake. I don't understand, it was so easy before. Help please!

so i tried it last night, i ended up waking up, rolling over and scratching my head like 5 seconds before the alarm actually went off so i had pretty much failed.

so i went back to bed and ended up having a lucid dream anyway haha

gunna try again tonight. ive got a lot of faith in this technique, considering all my other WILD attempts have failed, this seems like the one for me:)

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Originally Posted by sheogorath

Found an auto - off alarm for the ipod touch! It is called
"alarm night clock lite"
on the features it says
"-Customize alarm duration"

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Hey. You know the alarm night clock lite that you recommended. Does it work? The duration is a minute which is too long for one of the people who do CANWILD. Does it work for you Sheogorath?
Thank you =)

God damn, I moved again this morning. Then I slept through the second one.

in a previous post of this thread i posted an audio file that has about ten seconds of audio, then a minute of silence. that should work.

so I just got back from out of town, and I couldn't do try this, but I've learned something, every time I set the alarm (even if I moved, and just gave up) I would always remember around 3 or 4 dreams a night,and the 3 days I didn't do this, I remembered only 1 or 2 dreams, that were really "foggy" like I could only remember bits and pieces
and school is starting in 2 days, so I will be going to bed around 11, waking up at 6 , so I will try this a lot, but it helps with my dream recall
I will try it tonight and hope for luck, I've had one LD using the help from this technique
even waking up at any time during the night helps you have a better chance for a LD :)

Tried this last night for the first time and didn't move at all! But I got so excited my heart was beating so fast. So after a few minutes of staying still I gave up. Maybe i woke up at the end of REM or the excitement woke me up too much. And I slept through the second alarm. Oh well, will try again tonight and perhaps wake up at a slightly different time. :D

I've tried this method for a week. It either doesn't wake me up or it doesn't end up going off. Clearly not for me.

I don't have the same problem.I always wake up to my first alarm but not the second or third. But I always fail on the first one so it would have been nice to wake up to those as well. The problem I have is moving (a tiny bit) for this morning. I had a tiny tingling feeling on my head but that was it. Will keep trying though.

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Originally Posted by Kaolc

First of all, thanks to crazyinsane for the tutorial. It's what truly got me started taking LDing seriously. I've been using this technique for over three months now, and I've got the alarm and the settings down to perfection. It works every single time, and I don't move at all when I wake up.. But despite the fact that I've got the settings down perfect, I've only had about four LDs using this technique so far. I wake up, lie perfectly still, but usually I'm either too lazy or unmotivated and fall right back asleep, or I think too much and can't fall back asleep.. I did that mistake for the first 2½ months, but now I've finally found out what I've done wrong! The technique tells you to just lie there basically when the alarm wakes you up.. That didn't work AT ALL for me. You have to start visualizing a scene, search these forums for "visualization" if you don't know how to.

CrazyInsane, if you read this at some point, please know that I'd love to speak to you on some IM client, I have a load of questions.

Here's the perfect settings I've found after a lot of experimenting around for months.

iPod Touch / iPhone application called "12,24 Alarm" written EXACTLY that way. It allows you to do everything you need.
I always put the alarm time 6 hours after I go to sleep. I usually put it at 6:30 later than the usual time actually, because it takes a little while for me to fall asleep.

Inside the alarm, make sure you go to settings and put "Auto-Lock Override" OFF! It won't work otherwise!
New->Alarm-> use the following settings:
Time: current+6:30
Enable: On
Snooze: OFF unless you want to put it at 45 minutes, it'll go off again then in case you fail. You can also do 30 or 60 minutes or whatever works for you.
Days: All
Sounds: Wind Chimes (Very important! Loud, but calm and not startling. You can also do custom MP3s you have on the iTouch, but Wind Chimes is excellent!)
Fade-In: 15 seconds (Very important! It'll start silent then go louder, this way it won't startle you awake, so you won't move!)
Shuffle: Off
Flash: Off
Shake to snooze: Off
Auto Snooze: 10/15 seconds, try what works the best for you. Depends on how tired I am. This one's very important, though!

Go to the main screen, make sure you see that the alarm will go off in about 6:30 under the current time. Then, make sure your iPod is over 30% power (I always plug it in), and then press the power button which will lock it but not turn it completely off. The alarm will keep running in the background and work as usual, but no light in your bedroom that way.

Have fun with the perfect settings, it seems everyone has an easy time with this technique, but can't get the alarm thing working.. I'm totally opposite. Enjoy!

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Thank you so much! That alarm was perfect :) only cost 0.99 $.
I will try this tonight =)

Attempt 3
Hope you don't mind me posting my attempts. Last night I failed majorly didn't wake up to either of the two alarms. Maybe was too tired. grr!

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Originally Posted by Mediabat

Attempt 3
Hope you don't mind me posting my attempts. Last night I failed majorly didn't wake up to either of the two alarms. Maybe was too tired. grr!

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I've been having this problem lately too. But i think I've made a breakthrough in SP, though it hasn't worked yet because I didn't want to be tired the next day. What I do is indulge my mind's imagination and just let it play like when I was a kid. the more I get in-tune with my imagination and whimsical kid-ish nature, the more I feel removed from my body. I'm hoping that if I do this long enough, my body will go to sleep and I'll enter into a lucid dream. Still haven't quite figured out how I managed to lucid dream the first two times and replicate it. Maybe I was driven to success, whereas now I focus more on getting enough sleep. Anyhow, those are my thoughts for the moment. Good luck everyone, I'm off to bed :)

Oh my God, this technique was perfect for me! I have done something similar before with the Lucidology ramp, but that only worked sometimes and I got in a very bad mood because of all that alarms. But with this I only needed one alarm to become lucid, almost lucid anyway.

I went to sleep 11.00 pm and set the 12, 24 Alarm Clock Sleeping Music app program to wake me up to WInd Chimes in 10 seconds 04.45 am.
I was laying in my bed looking around, then a girl wants to have sex with me (which is not very usual for me) o.O and I said "No go away! I am waiting for the alarm to go off so I can have a lucid dream. Piss off! Wait if I am awake I have to fall asleep otherwise I wont wake up in SP..." :shock:
So I tried to go to sleep, but I just couldn't so I got up then I thought
"Hey why did I rejected that nice girl? That's just sick. Am I dreaming?"
I looked at my hand tried to count my fingers.
"Ok I have five fingers that's normal ok I do one more. Hmm 1 2 2 wtf 3 4 5no I still have five fingers this is not a dream I am awake. Ok Guess I failed to CAN-WILD today" Then when I woke up I remembered exactly everything that was happening to me after this reality check. Good recall but not a lucid dream :(

New attempt tonight but with a noseplug realitycheck :roll:

And I also want to thank CrazyInSane and Kaolc for the technique and app and settings :) (L)

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Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2

I've been having this problem lately too. But i think I've made a breakthrough in SP, though it hasn't worked yet because I didn't want to be tired the next day. What I do is indulge my mind's imagination and just let it play like when I was a kid. the more I get in-tune with my imagination and whimsical kid-ish nature, the more I feel removed from my body. I'm hoping that if I do this long enough, my body will go to sleep and I'll enter into a lucid dream. Still haven't quite figured out how I managed to lucid dream the first two times and replicate it. Maybe I was driven to success, whereas now I focus more on getting enough sleep. Anyhow, those are my thoughts for the moment. Good luck everyone, I'm off to bed :)

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I will definitely try that! I'm already doing visualizations during pre-SPs but don't know what to visualize. This sounds fun.