Thread: Extreme WILD attempts

The first REM cycle occurs about each hour and a half, but I am pretty sure the REM cycle begins after four hours of sleep. WILDing does work before sleep for certain people, and if you can get into SP before sleep then you know it works for you. I attempt WILD's before sleep and after everynight, and I have been getting great success but I am not fully through the process yet. You have to relax and try to induce the SP mentally as well, if you want the process to be faster. You have to welcome SP, and encourage it to bring you further and faster to your lucid dream. Take these steps and you will have success in no time. I suggest looking at the great tutorials on WILDing in the Tutorial section here: http://dreamviews.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=74
I am sure you will get a lucid dream soon enough, "Impossible is Nothing"

-CV

Thanks Clearview.

But I've had a lucid dream but not a WILD.
I reply my results later ...

I know, I am talking about WILD induced lucid dreams. It is different that your average DILD, because you go into the dream already in a coincious lucid state.
Anytime
-CV

Ah yeah x) But I really don't know what I am doing wrong.
I usually just do a WBTB and follow every step Preparation-Relaxation and when I finaly succed to not fall asleep during the process nothing happends..
no imagery or anything just some vibrations and heaviness and I just give up and do a reality check, but it's hard to move and my body is paralysed and my reality check tells me that I am awake...

and I know I just should wait a little bit longer.. but nothing ever happens... it's annoying. WILD is hard :S

I reply my result tomorrow

It is hard, but when you feel like giving up it is something special. Not many people know this mastermind, but when you feel like giving up the most, it is the effects of the WILD. It is happening because your body is testing you by giving you false emotions. Next time you feel like giving up, keep going, and the WILD will be closer than ever. Good Luck, Mastermind.

-CV

Oh had never thought of that thank you!
damn, I am supposed to trick my body to fall asleep but the body tricks me -.-

You seem so wise xD How is it even possible that you have never had a lucid dream? o.O

I spend my time around people who know about lucid dreaming, and I spend my time learning about lucid dreaming. I believe that If i learn enough about something and I set my mind out to accomplish a task, I will eventually do it. I am trying to help people, and see to it that they don't give up. I am actually doing a mini project tonight, if you want to join in come to the chat and we could talk to it. It also depends on your timezone

The body has tricked me so many times, I have learned all it's tricks. Now the key is to be able to advance further in the paralysis stage. Good luck, and yes I know, its sad that I have not had a lucid yet, but the eternal flame of heading to success is always burning!
Now all foolishness aside , its not too hard to trick you're body. As soon as you feel your body trying to do something, be it making an itch, uncomfortably, and whatever, just tell it this: "Yes body, I know you don't want me to lucid dream. But I am fucking determined and you cannot stop me." At this point your mind will be fighting itself. One half against the other lul.

Sorry I kind of posted with humor and seriousness mixed together, but you should still follow what I read because it seems to help me focus

-CV

Mastermind, I have had 7 LD's in 3 weeks, 1 on my very first attempt using a particular method. If you are interested its in the tutorials. its known as CAN-WILD. You use a timer to continue waking you up, until eventually your body doesnt wake up, but your mind does. You wake up in the dream, and also, everytime you wake up in the bed, your body is already in SP, so if you dont wake up in the dream, and instead wake up in bed, your body will either be in SP, or very very close, like minutes or less away.. So its much much easier to have either a traditional DILD, or WILD, just a shortcut, works great for me. Let me know if you want the timer for the computer, or the timer MP3s...

Hehe funny read ClearView Well I guess I am going to pracctise meditation (focus on my breathing without getting bored or disturbed and then keep on fight against my body x)

But I can try that CAN-WILD (nice name ) atkins513 and yeah please do send me that timer
Sounds like a cool idea
IT'S THIS YOU MEAN?! It seems to good to be true :O
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKquVghfwG0

Hey mastermind, I have tried the Can-Wild. Its really good. I always forget to turn the sound up though
Can-WILD tut:http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=87710

-CV

Thanks again I tomorrow night, because this night I am going to try to wake up in the dream worldby tricking my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKquV...eature=related

I will:

1.Go to bed
2.Wake up 5.5 hour later
3.Stay up for 45 minutes and avoiding lights
4.Get back to bed and start the alarm routine and fall asleep
5.Hopefully I wake up in the dream world here

Originally Posted by MasterMind

Thanks again I tomorrow night, because this night I am going to try to wake up in the dream worldby tricking my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKquV...eature=related

I will:

1.Go to bed
2.Wake up 5.5 hour later
3.Stay up for 45 minutes and avoiding lights
4.Get back to bed and start the alarm routine and fall asleep
5.Hopefully I wake up in the dream world here

Ya, but if you dont, just go right back to sleep, and again and again, eventually you either wake up in SP, close to SP, or in a dream... give it a shot. Here is the timer from Lucidology 101. It works awesome. Its in exe form, but feel free to scan it if need be. You should even watch the youtube video again for a better understanding once you see what the timer looks like. Make sure your volume is cranked lol.
http://rapidshare.com/files/371205228/timer1.exe.html

Originally Posted by atkins513

Ya, but if you dont, just go right back to sleep, and again and again, eventually you either wake up in SP, close to SP, or in a dream... give it a shot. Here is the timer from Lucidology 101. It works awesome. Its in exe form, but feel free to scan it if need be. You should even watch the youtube video again for a better understanding once you see what the timer looks like. Make sure your volume is cranked lol.
http://rapidshare.com/files/371205228/timer1.exe.html

Yeah I have But I will use my ipod and a routine app with the ramp 4.

Thank you so much x)

Btw which free movement reality check do you recommend?

well my personal Movement free RC is because I wear contacts. I take them out when I sleep, if i open my eyes and the room is perfectly clear, then i know its a dream version of my vision. Works great for me but obviously this one isnt for every one. Another Movement free RC i have heard of is trying to push your tongue thru the roof of your mouth.. seems easy enough lol...

Ok I'm up for my WBTB now Wish me Good Luck! xD

I'm from Sweden if you wonder why it's a weird time =)

Good Luck.

Bah.. I followed each step except ONE.
I didn't avoid lights :S I started my computer with bright light, and when I went to bed again I couldn't fell asleep!

Maybe I should not do this with a WBTB when I stay up for 45 minutes.
Next time I I just set my alarm clock to wake me up and then I just start immediately with the WILD.

How do you do it atkins513?

Originally Posted by MasterMind

Bah.. I followed each step except ONE.
I didn't avoid lights :S I started my computer with bright light, and when I went to bed again I couldn't fell asleep!

Maybe I should not do this with a WBTB when I stay up for 45 minutes.
Next time I I just set my alarm clock to wake me up and then I just start immediately with the WILD.

How do you do it atkins513?

I keep the staying awake part very short. 15 minutes or less. Depending on how tired I am. If i wake up and i am extremely tired and sleepy, then I stay up about 15-20 minutes to get myself woke up more but not so much that i cant sleep.. If i wake up and im only a little tired, i stay up 5 mins, then go back to bed, before i get woken up too much.. its really about finding your sweet spot before laying back down. You should be tired enough to sleep, but awake enough to become lucid..

hey everyone, im new to this lucid dream thing, so im not sure about some stuff let me tell you this morning's experience...

i was sleeping at my girlfriends... and she got up in the night for bathroom, it woke me up and i decided to stay alert, and stop moving my body... so, is this procedure called a WBTB WILD?

I stopped moving my body, and after a while, i felt waves of energy comming from my feet and going through me to the other end of my body... and maybe 3-4 minutes after this, i would hear parsels of Bach's chamber music, i guess those where hypnagogic hallucinations? But after that someone was walking around the house and i got frustrated (cant ever concentrate on anything at her place cause everybody is so noisy...). Do you think if i persisted i would have had a lucid dream even though there was noise and everything?

There some other thing im not sure . people around here are always talking of HH and HI, but whats the difference between those and CEVs (i can get CEV just by closing my eyes and concentrating on them, but i dont get whats the difference between CEVs and HH, to me, a clouds or a pattern of colour is nothing more than that, be it a CEV or a HH

Originally Posted by Cochise

hey everyone, im new to this lucid dream thing, so im not sure about some stuff let me tell you this morning's experience...

i was sleeping at my girlfriends... and she got up in the night for bathroom, it woke me up and i decided to stay alert, and stop moving my body... so, is this procedure called a WBTB WILD?

I stopped moving my body, and after a while, i felt waves of energy comming from my feet and going through me to the other end of my body... and maybe 3-4 minutes after this, i would hear parsels of Bach's chamber music, i guess those where hypnagogic hallucinations? But after that someone was walking around the house and i got frustrated (cant ever concentrate on anything at her place cause everybody is so noisy...). Do you think if i persisted i would have had a lucid dream even though there was noise and everything?

There some other thing im not sure . people around here are always talking of HH and HI, but whats the difference between those and CEVs (i can get CEV just by closing my eyes and concentrating on them, but i dont get whats the difference between CEVs and HH, to me, a clouds or a pattern of colour is nothing more than that, be it a CEV or a HH

Yes, It is called WakeBackToBed, WBTB. I think if you would have continued you could have done it. Also remember the mind plays tricks on us, and one of those tricks is to give you the complete issusion that it is not working, just before you start to slip into it deeply. Several people have mentioned this happening, but instead of giving up, they shortly find themselves deep in LD. Hang in there.. and dont give up.

as for HH/HI, they are the same. HH is hypnotic hallucinations, and HI is Hypnotic Imagery. They are just different terms to explain the sam ething. I have never heard of CEV, what does that mean? C? E? Hallucinations.?

Mastermind, here's something you're going to want to use, from Planarportals.com:

That's your sleep cycle. REM does NOT occur after four hours as CV mentioned somewhere up in this topic, but after 90 minutes, as he had also stated. Follow that graph to plan out your lucid attempts.

Also, WILDing for me (even though I've only done it once, yet attempted many many times) shouldn't and probably can't be forced. If it takes an "extreme" attempt to get there, I applaud your enthusiasm and ambition but can't really expect you to succeed if you're doing this out of impatience. It took me 75 days to get to my first WILD and Office Flake's took 9 months, if that puts things into perspective. But, WILDs are different for everyone. I don't even use anyone else' method for WILDing, I just attempt what seems right for me, using certain techniques for relaxation and figuring out the transitions myself, so don't discount the possibility that you'll have to come up with an entirely new way of WILDing just to get to it.

Good luck no matter what method you use.

Wilding is much much easier with Wake Back To Bed.

Originally Posted by atkins513

as for HH/HI, they are the same. HH is hypnotic hallucinations, and HI is Hypnotic Imagery. They are just different terms to explain the sam ething. I have never heard of CEV, what does that mean? C? E? Hallucinations.?

im sorry for getting this thread a bit off topic...

CEV means closed eye visuals, i had experimented with them long before experimenting with lucid dreaming (i didnt know about techniques and all, i just wanted to watch CEVs one morning)), and this had led me to a scene where i was driving a car really fast in a city with no trees and no buildings that ressembled mine with with its arrangement of streets (basically, there were streets and patches of grass in between). I guess that was a failed wild, as i wasnt lucid and i woke my self up because i was surprised...

heres a link of some artwork of someone... http://lftovr.projectsd.net/closed-eye-visuals.jpg mine are not as intense as this, but this is what it looks like in general.

There are different levels of CEVs, the highest being OEV (open eye visuals). Basically, i think CEVs are some sort of noise signals happening in the brain lobe in charge of vision... i guess wiki is always fun for a quick learn, so here it is (i think i had learned that from there as well)... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-...:_Visual_noise

I guess this could deserve a whole new "CEV vs HH" thread, to find out weither those are the same or not... Maybe HH is just CEVs seen when in a relaxed state nearing sleep, or maybe those are two different things, i dont know Ill be researching both and maybe create a thread related to it if i find interesting stuff...

and again, if sorry for hijacking your thread, mastermind