ADHD hindering WILD attempts

**Toxicfish** · 05-15-2010 05:53 AM

I have ADHD and find it difficult to focus will trying to attain SP, is it necessary to be focused on your breathing or such and if so is there any meathods that may be a little more feasible for me ?

**Jamal** · 05-15-2010 06:33 AM

In my opinion ADHD and ADD are bs. Those "disorders" are diagnosed to pretty much any kid who takes the test or displays hyperactivity these days. I supposedly have ADD.. really it's just laziness and impatience. It's likely due to the way I was brought up... Watching hours and hours of T.V. You should consider meditation.
Follow the techniques and keep trying... It takes a lot of practice!

**Toxicfish** · 05-15-2010 06:49 AM

The fact that you refer to it as ADD still means that you probably have yet to see the new research that has been done on it, it is now know as ADHD-H (hyperactive) ADHD-I (inattentive) and ADHD-C (combined), I am ADHD-I. Other new data also shows that it is in part caused by a malformation in the brain that limits the amount of dopamine which is a neurotransmitter from being produced which causes an inability to properly focus, hence the reasoning for it being treated with amphetamines since they stimulate the release of dopamine. if you still believe it is a sham that is fine but it still doesn't change the fact that i do have extreme difficulty focusing and would appreciate some advice on the subject. As a side note I do try and meditate every so often since i do find it helps my focus a bit.

**Toxicfish** · 05-15-2010 06:56 AM

As a slightly humorous side note when i did take the test for ADHD I answered the first question (do you have trouble focusing on tasks) then forgot about it, found it on top of the fridge about 2 months later and was generally confused about how it got there

**Jamal** · 05-15-2010 07:03 AM

Haha fair enough. I've never met someone with ADHD or ADD who was as well spoken and educated as you. I must admit I haven't done research into the subject and was speaking from experience only.
My bad.
The counting breaths technique doesn't work to well for me but just focusing on my breathing helps a lot I find.
- Jamal

**Toxicfish** · 05-15-2010 07:19 AM

Yeah I tried the breath counting aswell but always end up getting distracted, I have had slightly better success with just focusing on my breathing to the point that I got conscious REM and have on occasion actually reached SP but always seem to fall out of it usually due to focus loss. As for the ADHD, there are alot of falsely reported cases which is why there is so little creditability in it being a real disorder, so i really don't blame people for thinking its a sham and just try and educate them myself so they know it is real for some.

**Jamal** · 05-15-2010 06:21 PM

Yeah that makes sense. Thanks for educating me on the matter. I honestly thought ADHD had no scientific backing. Again lack of proper research.

Have you tried the DEILD technique? It requires less concentration as long as you can remember to stay completely still after waking from a dream.
I actually have not had many WILDs to tell you the truth. Most of WILDs I have had were during naps rather than WBTB. I would suggest fiddling around with other techniques if the WILD is too hard to focus on. When you say you get distracted do you mean with thoughts? or movements? Do you dose off into a normal dream? I usually completely forget and dose off. I'm pretty much in the same boat as you in terms of WILD but for me I think it's lack of effort. I doubt I have a focus issue personally. You should start the 90 days WILD project under the research section. Have you checked out Jeff's post entitled "how to keep your mind awake while your body falls asleep" (not an exact quote). I found that one helped me a couple years ago when I was pursuing the WILD

**Toxicfish** · 05-15-2010 07:17 PM

I'll try the DEILD, it may work a bit better. I usually can't even get back to sleep if I try the WBTB WILD, I tend to get distracted by thought and then insomnia hits in which kinda sucks. Have no problems with the not moving part. I'll take a look at that post, i believe i may have already scanned through it, but if i may help me out i'll give it a more solid read through.
Thanks for the help btw.

**Kuhnada29** · 05-31-2010 08:18 AM

Toxicfish I had ADD/ADHD to when I was younger and unfortunately they put me on Ritalin ( which actually BLOCKS reuptake of dopamine ), and had me doped. I wasn't on it for years though, just a couple of weeks or months I think.

I think so much it's not even funny.... Even today it's hard for me to pay attention to the outside world without zoning out, or getting lost in thought. Meditation DEFINITELY helps though.

What I do when trying to enter sleep paralysis is called the "hidden observer technique". With this technique you can enter a WILD at will. What you do is you lay in bed and witness your thoughts. Don't attach to them, just watch them, they'll go away. You also don't try to stay awake..you fall asleep normally but continue witnessing your thoughts.

I got as far as a semi-lucid state during hypnagogic imagery. Practice makes perfect though.

http://www.lucid.me/hobserver.htm

I think the biggest roadblock for me is the wbtb part...WILD seems to require at least 4 or 5 hours of sleep...but it's damn hard to get up after 5 hours and sleep and actually stay up.