New technique of WILD, abtain lucidy..

**Dream Boat** · 12-12-2007 08:48 PM

Oh kay people.. last night, i was lay in my bed and i began to stare at my arm. The room was dark aswell, so i was staring at my arm, and my vision began to black out. At first i was scared, i thought i was passing out, So i turned over and faced the celing, and i stared in one place, not focosing on aneything, Just staring into space. And my vision went black again, so i just went with it. It was quite hard to keep it blacked out because my eyes kept twiching and moving, so eventually i got the hang of it, as my vision went black i focused my mind on the thing i wanted to dream about, not letting my mind ponder tho.. And before i knew it , coulors and cenery started to form around me, as objects got more solid and the world got more vivid, i jumped into my dream and stayed lucid for about 5 - 10 minutes, Probably because i focused my mind on the things i wanted to do in the dream. And not staying lucid.

Tecnique:

*Keep eyes open and relax body.

* focus on something like a light or your arm, and then take the focus off it but still be aware of what your looking at.

*wait untill vision begins to black out.

*Keep eyes open for a bit as you consontrait on what you want to dream about.

*then eventually your eyes might close, or you might have to do that yourself whilst your vision is still black and your mind is focused on your dream.

* then watch your dream become almost reality, and there you have it... A lucid dream.

this may have been Discovered before, but if not.. ALL HAIL ME.

**Dream Boat** · 12-12-2007 09:41 PM

Lawlz.. sorreh, i spelt obtain and lucidity wrong.

**viking-45** · 12-12-2007 10:46 PM

sounds AWESOME,

how much time did it took all that process?

**nicobinho** · 12-13-2007 03:11 AM

Hey but when do u do this? like at wat period during the night? when u go to sleep o wat? lol

**blakkin** · 12-13-2007 06:41 AM

I know what you mean by the blacking out thing, the same thing happens if you just space out at an object during the day, however, it just turns very blurry and out of focus, however at night, since its dark, it turns black.

Anyway, how long do you have to do that? I always have to close my eyes, they start to sting and water... but maybe that wont happen in the dark? Anyway, how long did YOU have to do that?

**Kromoh** · 12-13-2007 07:32 AM

I've experienced that blacking out thing. I have those ceilign starts that glow in the dark. I find that, if I blindly stare at them, it'll be like they aren't there anymore, just the black background..

Really cool, can't wait to try it.

**Binsk** · 12-13-2007 07:47 AM

This sounds like it could work! I will try it tonight, thanks!

**Dream Boat** · 12-13-2007 05:27 PM

You have to be pritty tired.. maybe try this at about, 11:30 PM.. and, the the period you have to do this for before your body falls asleep, is about 5 - 10 minutes, depending on how tired you are. Might vary for other peopel.. Just try it and see what happens.

**Binsk** · 12-13-2007 10:18 PM

Lol, well... I tried it. I stared up at my cieling (I have glow-stars from like 5 years back up there) and sure enough they kept fading and disapearing and fading back then disapearing, then I woke up. ^_^

**LDallNight** · 12-16-2007 12:08 AM

Well Dream Boat, I have to sy this is pretty cool. Last night I attempted this and to my disbeleif, it worked. I looked at the shine of the moonlight off my bedside lamp, blinking every now and then, until eventually my vision kept fading in and out, and eventually it altogethor faded. At this time I began to feel as if my body were freefalling and I gave myself over to the sensation. I knew that it was working and I'd become lucid! I was picturing a gasoline pump for some reason and it was becoming pretty vivid, and my mind was forming it's own background/setting. Then, unfortunately, my eye twitched and it all faded away. DAMN!!! So i try a few more times, and once or twice I got my vision to black out again, but never the free fall sensation. Seems after the first time I couldn't keep my eyes from twitching. Still, I'll have to try this again.

**Kromoh** · 12-16-2007 12:17 AM

Hey, I tried this technique, and it is extremely helpfulk for inducing HI. It's jus tgreat

haven't WILDed wit hHI yet though... I usually use breath on my DEILDs

**Ailos** · 12-16-2007 03:53 AM

When I was younger I used to fall asleep with my eyes open until the age of about 8 or 9. I would just look at one point, and when I woke in the morning, I wouldn't ever remember closing my eyes to fall asleep (so I guess my eyes dimmed as I fell asleep, and my eyes then closed after I was deep in slumber).

And I do remember that my dreams were far more vivid and my sleep much more restorative than what I experience today (I now close my eyes to sleep... but perhaps I'll try keeping them open now). Perhaps falling asleep with our eyes open is more natural?

It's indeed interesting.

**M45t3r** · 12-16-2007 10:08 AM

I tried that today, and oh my god this technique is great, i had crazy dream, a lucid dream and almost a wild, but i got a question, how long does it take to black out to wild ?

**TempleGuard** · 12-16-2007 10:24 AM

I've tried it before I went to sleep - I can do the blackout thing in less then a minute, but then... nothing. I wanted to try it after few hours of sleep, and I tried it after 5 hours of sleep, but there was too much light to do it, so I tried to do my first WILD in the normal way (and I succeeded), if I wake up some time and it is still dark enough, I will definetly try it!
Btw when I did it I decided to try some day take this blackout thing to the next level, and try to walk around my home not seing anything - should be fun. And btw if you concetrate enough you can blackout, then close your eyes for a big period of time, and when you open them you are still seing only darkness. The whole thing is pretty cool!

**Dream Boat** · 12-16-2007 08:53 PM

Haha.. glad it's working for ya'll.. happy dreaming!

... oh and please can someone explain to me, what ( HI ) is ?.. im quite knew to this, stil gettin use to all the names.. thanks again

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Dream-boat!!.,
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**M45t3r** · 12-16-2007 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by M45t3r

i got a question, how long does it take to black out to wild ? (for example, how long should i watch my hand before im going to be in a dream ?)

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Originally Posted by Dream Boat

oh and please can someone explain to me, what ( HI ) is ?

HI is hypnagogic imagery, its images, sounds and other things that appear when you are begining to enter a dream (most time), example, you lay in bed waiting to fall asleep and suddenly you hear someone talking to you in a room, then you stand up and you realize that nobody is in your room, it was all in your head

**lonestarx** · 12-17-2007 01:16 AM

nice. Im gonna try this tonight

edit: Also if you get the scene to form how do advise to jump into the scene?

**dsr** · 12-17-2007 03:13 AM

Dream Boat, one of the conventional methods people use to achieve WILD involves lying still with your eyes closed, waiting for hypnagogic imagery (HI) to appear before your mind's eye. Many people, myself included, find it very difficult to relax enough while keeping their mind awake long enough to see HI. Your technique sounds like it facilitates the formation of HI, and I look forward to trying it. Roughly how long did you have to stare before your vision blacked out?

Originally Posted by Ailos

When I was younger I used to fall asleep with my eyes open until the age of about 8 or 9. I would just look at one point, and when I woke in the morning, I wouldn't ever remember closing my eyes to fall asleep (so I guess my eyes dimmed as I fell asleep, and my eyes then closed after I was deep in slumber).

And I do remember that my dreams were far more vivid and my sleep much more restorative than what I experience today (I now close my eyes to sleep... but perhaps I'll try keeping them open now). Perhaps falling asleep with our eyes open is more natural?

It's indeed interesting.

That's quite interesting.

**Dream Boat** · 12-17-2007 05:44 PM

Also if you get the scene to form how do advise to jump into the scene?

Well. What i mean by this is, (ENTER) your dream.. some people allow it to form around themselfs, others may like to grab it and drag it to there position, I like to See my dream in a picture or a miror or a tv.. and then jump through them into the dream.. Quite fun acctually.. You try it,

And it doesnt take long before your Vision blacks out.. if you keep your vision in one place without your eyes twiching, Then about 5 - 10 seconds.. You'll get the hang of it dont worry

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**wendylove** · 12-17-2007 07:20 PM

I did this during a nap, and yes everything did black out and I was in the dream and became lucid.

This is like clear light technique(bhuddhist), however it works better.

**polmc** · 12-17-2007 07:34 PM

And does it work without WBTB?

**dsr** · 12-17-2007 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by polmc

And does it work without WBTB?

The length of your REM cycles (and consequently the vividness of your dreams) depends on how long you've been asleep, not what method you use to WILD. It's much easier if you wake up in the middle of the night (or take an early afternoon nap), but some people have reported success with WILD when they first went to bed. In fact, it sounds like the latter was the case for Dream Boat.

Originally Posted by Dream Boat

And it doesnt take long before your Vision blacks out.. if you keep your vision in one place without your eyes twiching, Then about 5 - 10 seconds.. You'll get the hang of it dont worry

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Great, thanks.