Am I doing something wrong?

**Mellanhavande** · 07-29-2014 07:17 AM

Last night I decided to finally do WILD (previously did it only once), usually I'm doing MILD. So I went to sleep at 22:45, set my alarm at 03:45, woke up, turned on some binaural beats (I was listening through earphones), relaxed my body, started to count exhales, from time to time said ''I'm dreaming''. I felt that my body is slowly falling asleep, it became a bit harder to move but in front of my eyes there still was empty blackness, no signs of hypnagogic state. I continued the counting for some time but nothing happened. In the end I was mad at myself and simply felt asleep, having only a non-lucid dream. What did I do wrong?

**Krythnyr** · 07-29-2014 07:40 AM

Firstly, is the time between going to sleep and waking up enough to enter the next cycle? You've set your alarm for 5:00 hours, but remember, you won't be sleeping the whole time. The distances in between stages may be too short to jump into the next cycle of sleep. This may be why you're not drifting into the hypnagogic state.

After that, are the methods your using to maintain your awareness really the rights ones? By that I mean, are they the ones you've found effective that work the most efficiently and well for you? Remember that there are countless different techniques that people share, and many even come up with some themselves.

Also, were you actively trying to move physically? You mentioned that briefly. That has a bit of potential to mess up the WILD.

Lastly, and at least partially the reason why you didn't succeed was because you were impatient. You gave up, [wo]man. Everyone needs a different amount of time to drift into their dream and go through all the stages. It can take up to an hour to finally transition into the dream with WILD! Perhaps you were on the right track, but you let your frustrations get to you, you let yourself lose sight of the goal, and you consequently drifted off into regular sleep.

The WILD method is tricky. Some people get it on their first shot, some might have to wait many months before they're able to pull it off. For me, it took me about 3 weeks to finally get down. You just need to pick up and get going on the next shot. You have try again, and again, and again... You get the point.

-And remember, don't forget to believe!!

**Mellanhavande** · 07-29-2014 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Krythnyr

Firstly, is the time between going to sleep and waking up enough to enter the next cycle? You've set your alarm for 5:00 hours, but remember, you won't be sleeping the whole time. The distances in between stages may be too short to jump into the next cycle of sleep. This may be why you're not drifting into the hypnagogic state.

After that, are the methods your using to maintain your awareness really the rights ones? By that I mean, are they the ones you've found effective that work the most efficiently and well for you? Remember that there are countless different techniques that people share, and many even come up with some themselves.

Also, were you actively trying to move physically? You mentioned that briefly. That has a bit of potential to mess up the WILD.

Lastly, and at least partially the reason why you didn't succeed was because you were impatient. You gave up, [wo]man. Everyone needs a different amount of time to drift into their dream and go through all the stages. It can take up to an hour to finally transition into the dream with WILD! Perhaps you were on the right track, but you let your frustrations get to you, you let yourself lose sight of the goal, and you consequently drifted off into regular sleep.

The WILD method is tricky. Some people get it on their first shot, some might have to wait many months before they're able to pull it off. For me, it took me about 3 weeks to finally get down. You just need to pick up and get going on the next shot. You have try again, and again, and again... You get the point.

-And remember, don't forget to believe!!

Thanks for answer!
About the sleep cycles - how can I know when is the best time to wake up?

And no, I wasn't moving. I started to move only when nothing was happening (after long time). When I'm falling asleep I just feel that my body is becoming heavy, like sinking in bed, I dunno how to describe it.

When I tried WILD for the first time, I did it while taking afternoon nap, hypnagogic state started very quickly (about 10min) and I reached lucid dream with the same ''I'm dreaming'' phrase, so maybe I really became impatient because this time it took almost an hour and nothing.

**MisakaMikoto** · 07-29-2014 01:27 PM

Hi,

The most important goal in WILDs is to fall asleep.

WILD Technique has a quite delicate balance
If your focusing too much on x you won't enter dream as soon as you want to
If your focusing not enough on x you will fall asleep into non-lucid dream

x - Anything that can keep your awareness up (Counting, Mantras, Visualization etc.)

Your current way to keep up consciousness might make your mind too awake to enter dream state
You could try extending WBTB time aswell.

**sisyphus** · 08-05-2014 04:49 AM

It takes practice to get the hang of it. I think it is as important to find the right opportunity as it is to practice the technique. After you've experienced it once, I think it gets easier because you know what to look for. So here are my tips to get the first transition. It also helps if you can already DILD.

- For regular attempts, try after 6 hours. I think 5 hours is probably too short.

- Try a WILD during the cycle after a successful DILD.

- Try DEILD-chaining to extend a DILD when it destabilizes. DIELD is a different technique but the feeling is very similar to what you will experience in WILD, so you get a taste of how it should feel.

- Try after 7.5 hours or more if you can manage to sleep that long. After this long, the conditions are similar to an afternoon nap. These might be very shallow, weak WILDs, but you have a higher chance to experience the transition.

**RandomHaxor** · 08-05-2014 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by MisakaMikoto

WILD Technique has a quite delicate balance
If your focusing too much on x you won't enter dream ~~as soon as you want to~~ ever
If your focusing not enough on x you will fall asleep into non-lucid dream

And you have perfectly summed up why WILD is frustrating.
I wake up to my WILD alarm and I fall back asleep like this 90% of the time
And then I wake up in the morning and I'm just like "Really? Again?"

**Jonnydebonnair** · 08-05-2014 07:24 PM

Same!

Trying to reignite the WILD technique which I've managed a handful of times before but becoming a sequence of failures to notice the onset of sleep paralysis which is always my trigger. I used to fight sleep paralysis not realising it was personally my own best bridge to avoid the need for hap hazardly occurring DILD dream signs.

Good luck, lets both get it sorted by this time next week!

**MisakaMikoto** · 08-06-2014 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Jonnydebonnair

Same!

Trying to reignite the WILD technique which I've managed a handful of times before but becoming a sequence of failures to notice the onset of sleep paralysis which is always my trigger. I used to fight sleep paralysis not realising it was personally my own best bridge to avoid the need for hap hazardly occurring DILD dream signs.

Good luck, lets both get it sorted by this time next week!

Goodluck

Similiar situation here, WILDs are just too wild

I've managed around two weeks ago to have four successful dream transitions in seven days and yet i' m struggling with WILDs again

Sivason's post might be kinda userful to you
http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...ml#post2110778

**RandomHaxor** · 08-07-2014 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by MisakaMikoto

WILDs are just too wild

This. Last night I woke up on my own an hour after going to bed, tried to WILD, failed. Then I woke up to my alarm set for 4 1/2 hours after I went to bed, tried to WILD, failed. The worst part is that they were both fairly good attempts too, and I felt like I was close to transitioning.

Really? I get two shots at WILD and this? Really?!

Sometimes this is just so frustrating.

**sprada** · 08-08-2014 01:10 PM

Well if it makes you feel any better I unsuccessful tried to WILD at least like 50 times (probably way more then 50) for several months.
Not once I got it right.
Got some DILDs and one DEILD after falling asleep into a NLD that was absolutely amazing.
Woke up in full SP with a dark figure growling (or something similar) at my ear. Saw the dream start and literally walked into it. Awesome.
It's really hard for me to maintain awareness since I can fall asleep in seconds. Honestly.
WILD and (LD) is a skill and should be treated like one. 12 times isn't that much.
Anyway keep trying and you'll get there.
I know I will

Cheers

**MisakaMikoto** · 08-08-2014 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by sprada

Well if it makes you feel any better I unsuccessful tried to WILD at least like 50 times (probably way more then 50) for several months.
Not once I got it right.
Got some DILDs and one DEILD after falling asleep into a NLD that was absolutely amazing.
Woke up in full SP with a dark figure growling (or something similar) at my ear. Saw the dream start and literally walked into it. Awesome.
It's really hard for me to maintain awareness since I can fall asleep in seconds. Honestly.
WILD and (LD) is a skill and should be treated like one. 12 times isn't that much.
Anyway keep trying and you'll get there.
I know I will

Cheers

You can try putting more focus onto the thing you were doing to keep your awareness up
If you were for example repeating mantra then try giving more conscious focus to it.

Also you could aswell do it reverse way
At first keep maximal mental focus on mantra and if your having trouble falling asleep then lower focus till till you find your body falling asleep, etc.