Thread: Ask/Tell Me About Arguing

so why do you care about arguing? what's the point.

change my mind about something.

Originally Posted by Solarflare

, not like weather we should move to a new country. .

lol

Originally Posted by Solarflare

Let me just say I am really good at arguing

I disagree.

Originally Posted by erible

so why do you care about arguing? what's the point.

change my mind about something.





lol

ignoring your lol

Well, everyone argues, and most people when they argue, have a valid argument, but the people who they are arguing with are to stubborn to get it. I'm sure, you, Mrs Berryble, have had an argument with a friend or peer or partner or such, and lost, and that led to something bad happening to you! Even when your argument is much better, they still don't buy it. So here, i'll teach you the ways, of arguing

Originally Posted by Spartiate

I disagree.

why? have you seen me argue?

Originally Posted by Solarflare

Let me just say I am really good at arguing, and when i mean arguing, i mean trivial, not like weather we should move to a new country. I'm great at proving people wrong, winning arguments and changing peoples mind (not as good at mind changing but, meh). So, either tell me new ways of winning, or ask away!

EDIT: these are from my own experence and may of may not be based on fact.

I'm pretty sure I can argue better than you can. I am a master at mind control.

Originally Posted by Solarflare

ignoring your lol

Well, everyone argues, and most people when they argue, have a valid argument, but the people who they are arguing with are to stubborn to get it. I'm sure, you, Mrs Berryble, have had an argument with a friend or peer or partner or such, and lost, and that led to something bad happening to you! Even when your argument is much better, they still don't buy it. So here, i'll teach you the ways, of arguing

why are you ignoring it?
and no nothing bad has happened because i rarely argue because i see no point in arguing.

Hahaha. I define arguing as being more emotionally drive, and debating as being logically driven. In my experience, debate tends to lead to arguments. x_x It usually goes from a logical point vs. another logical point and spirals downward from there as emotions and tension rise. Before long, logic is dead and emotions are driving everything.

When emotions run the show, simply don't buy into the mindset the other person is trying to impose on you. If you accept this illusional position, you are essentially at the other person's mercy, even if they don't realize it. Be a rock and don't let your emotions run your own position.



As long as your negativity is running the show (of your position), no amount of logic will make the other person concede (most of the time). But if you're coming from a place of true security, the other person will notice that. How they react will differ from person to person.

Often debates have some level of emotional drivers. That's why in some forum debates, or maybe even any debate in general, things can get heated, condescending statements are made, posts strike nerves, etc. etc. etc.

Anyway, that's a general summary of a part of my perspective.

Originally Posted by Solarflare

why? have you seen me argue?

That's not a very good rebuttal.

To avoid debates descending into petty arguments try to avoid these
List of fallacies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And Solarflare you really are not a master debater but its ok Im not either.

Originally Posted by stormcrow

To avoid debates descending into petty arguments try to avoid these
List of fallacies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bah, do you want to debate properly or do you want to win, fallacies help for the latter .

I think understanding fallacies and how to avoid using them personally and spotting them when your opponent uses them is very useful to debate "properly". How do you suggest we debate properly?

By not using fallacies. But that's time-consuming... sometimes a well placed sophism well get shit done faster. You have to appeal to people's emotions, not their reason.

I'd make a great interrogator.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

By not using fallacies. But that's time-consuming... sometimes a well placed sophism well get shit done faster. You have to appeal to people's emotions, not their reason.

I'd make a great interrogator.

You are saying I should be deceitful at the penalty of being intellectually dishonest? I think it depends on the nature of the audience you are trying to sway.

Originally Posted by stormcrow

You are saying I should be deceitful at the penalty of being intellectually dishonest? I think it depends on the nature of the audience you are trying to sway.

Precisely.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

That's not a very good rebuttal.

yeah i know

Originally Posted by niteLite

Hahaha. I define arguing as being more emotionally drive, and debating as being logically driven. In my experience, debate tends to lead to arguments. x_x It usually goes from a logical point vs. another logical point and spirals downward from there as emotions and tension rise. Before long, logic is dead and emotions are driving everything.

When emotions run the show, simply don't buy into the mindset the other person is trying to impose on you. If you accept this illusional position, you are essentially at the other person's mercy, even if they don't realize it. Be a rock and don't let your emotions run your own position.



As long as your negativity is running the show (of your position), no amount of logic will make the other person concede (most of the time). But if you're coming from a place of true security, the other person will notice that. How they react will differ from person to person.

Often debates have some level of emotional drivers. That's why in some forum debates, or maybe even any debate in general, things can get heated, condescending statements are made, posts strike nerves, etc. etc. etc.

Anyway, that's a general summary of a part of my perspective.

I totally agree . thats why when i argue, be it internet, phone or IRl, i never ever CAPS LOCK or yell, it doesnt work. You need to retain a calm mindset to succeed

1 star thread

yeah.... this thread is so fail D:

"In a controversy the instant we feel anger we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves."- Siddhartha Buddha

Originally Posted by Wayfaerer

"In a controversy the instant we feel anger we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves."- Siddhartha Buddha

ooh, i like that quote . And i never get mad in my arguments

and now can someone LOCK THIS THREAD PLEASE!?!?!

hahahahahahahaha

In order to win an argument without resorting to being decietful and intellectually dishonest you must first no that you are right and the other is wrong and be able to prove it. In this case in order to be a good arguer you must no how to pick your arguments. Now sometimes, both parties are partially right. Then I guess it depends not so much on the issue but who has the stronger and more stable personality.

Originally Posted by Wayfaerer

"In a controversy the instant we feel anger we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves."- Siddhartha Buddha

How can a man who weighed 400 pounds have the nerve to teach anyone about discipline.