Thread: Tell me about Pentecostal, and why people fall over in church!

Originally Posted by magical mike

Guys yeah it kills me to say this but I really dont know if I belive any of this christian stuff.
I dont belive in magic, I am just a magician.
I see what you guys are talking about. Its just its been feed to me all these years. like you said, and its still all in my head. I should go to a hypnotherapist and see if they can erase the memorys

I understand it`s hard and probably looked down on in your social circumstances. (and your country) To not believe in the Christian God.

But, It`s no excuse to follow the mindless flow. It`s a childish set of beliefes, no mather how you twist it.

If you choose not to tell anyone that you really don`t believe in the christian God. I can understand that, as it`s almost taboo in the U.S? You guys have to tell me how it is, because I`m from Norway. Anyway, I hope you stand up for yourself, not in a stubborn way, but in a toughtful, skeptical way. Those set of beliefes are stupid, and you know it. Think about it.

Originally Posted by JustSoSick

If you choose not to tell anyone that you really don`t believe in the christian God. I can understand that, as it`s almost taboo in the U.S?

Where he's from, Tennessee I think, the religious bigotry is pretty huge. In New York they couldn't care less. But in Tennessee, you can get locked in a basement for not partaking in the Jesus cool-aid.

Yeah, but its just so hard to say that.
Again because if I do, and there really is a hell. thats were I am going.
(DAMN STUPID SCARE TACTICS!!)

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Where he's from, Tennessee I think, the religious bigotry is pretty huge. In New York they couldn't care less. But in Tennessee, you can get locked in a basement for not partaking in the Jesus cool-aid.

Yeah my mom wears a shirt that says "God dose not belive in athiests"
I always think about how ironic that is, because "god" says in the bible that he loves everyone or something like that.
And to say that is like saying god dose not love you.
If he dose love everyone, why dont he just invite everyone to heaven? instead of sending all the "Non belivers" to hell?
Why did he even have to make a bible?
Why dint he just send all the people who kill other people to hell? and send the rest to heaven when th die.
And dang I dont know if I would even wanna live for ever lol..

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Where he's from, Tennessee I think, the religious bigotry is pretty huge. In New York they couldn't care less. But in Tennessee, you can get locked in a basement for not partaking in the Jesus cool-aid.

Sounds pretty sick.

Originally Posted by magical mike

Yeah, but its just so hard to say that.
Again because if I do, and there really is a hell. thats were I am going.
(DAMN STUPID SCARE TACTICS!!)

Forget about hell. It`s like you say a scare tactic. If you don`t believe in the Christian God and he turns out to actually exists and be that bully he is. You would be thrown into hell anyway, because he would know you didn`t really believe him before seeing him. It`s a clever way of controling people with fear. Remove the fear and you have life.

Originally Posted by magical mike

Yeah, but its just so hard to say that.
Again because if I do, and there really is a hell. thats were I am going.
(DAMN STUPID SCARE TACTICS!!)

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Yeah my mom wears a shirt that says "God dose not belive in athiests"
I always think about how ironic that is, because "god" says in the bible that he loves everyone or something like that.
And to say that is like saying god dose not love you.
If he dose love everyone, why dont he just invite everyone to heaven? instead of sending all the "Non belivers" to hell?
Why did he even have to make a bible?
Why dint he just send all the people who kill other people to hell? and send the rest to heaven when th die.
And dang I dont know if I would even wanna live for ever lol..

An even better question is, why didn`t he create us in heaven in the first place?

Why create a world that can only be worse than heaven.

Originally Posted by magical mike

Yeah, but its just so hard to say that.
Again because if I do, and there really is a hell. thats were I am going.
(DAMN STUPID SCARE TACTICS!!)

THERE IS NO HELL. Holy crap, man. Some dude in a robe tells you that if you don't believe every word he says then you'll burn for all eternity.

In ANY other situation, any other at all, if someone said that to you, you would think them full of shit. If I told you that you must worship my pet rock or your penis will fall off, would you trust that I'm telling the truth? I hope not.

There is no difference between my pet rock and Jesus and Odin and Muhammad and any other mythological creature. It's a lie backed up by threat of magical never ending torture. You should be fucking mad at these people who try to scare you, not listen to them!

Yes, you know. Several religions use the same scare tactic. If you don`t believe in our God, Hell. You know you could be cast to the muslim hell or whatever for not believing in their God?

Think about it, why don`t you believe in Allah?
Why don`t you believe in Thor?

Then use the same skeptisism when you ask yourself: Why don`t you believe in the Christian God?

It`s based on fear, get out of it. Don`t be a sheep.

Think about it, why don`t you believe in Allah?
Why don`t you believe in Thor?

Because I was raised in this Christian deal!
Finaly the light is shinning though.
So then what happens when we die?
It makes sence that we just die, and or mind just turns off, and nothing happens.
BUT DAMN THE FREAKING SCARE tactics.
And what happens to the adults who die far away who dont know anything about any religion at all? If god was a fair god, he would put a bible everywear.
Were did the bible even come from?

Originally Posted by magical mike

Were did the bible even come from?

Written by middle eastern men throughout ancient history and edited multiple times by the various church authorities.

Originally Posted by magical mike

Because I was raised in this Christian deal!
Finaly the light is shinning though.
So then what happens when we die?
It makes sence that we just die, and or mind just turns off, and nothing happens.
BUT DAMN THE FREAKING SCARE tactics.
And what happens to the adults who die far away who dont know anything about any religion at all? If god was a fair god, he would put a bible everywear.
Were did the bible even come from?

What happens when you die? Nobody knows, maybe just like before you were born.

Man obviously wrote the bible. Good way of controling population and getting money. I`m not sure who wrote the bible, but many moderated it.

Ok, I get it now.
I am not going to say I am an athiest, and I am not going to say I am a Christian. I am going to have to do alot of thinking, and researching.
I might just fade out of going to church (I dont anyways).
I dont read the bible
And I hardly pray or ask for forgiveness.
So its like I already am an athiesist. Wow saying that makes me fell weird, but whatever. its because I was raised to think so..

Originally Posted by magical mike

Ok, I get it now.
I am not going to say I am an athiest, and I am not going to say I am a Christian. I am going to have to do alot of thinking, and researching.
I might just fade out of going to church (I dont anyways).
I dont read the bible
And I hardly pray or ask for forgiveness.
So its like I already am an athiesist. Wow saying that makes me fell weird, but whatever. its because I was raised to think so..

Yes, you could also call yourself an agnostic, which means 'not sure'
I think it would be easier for you, but I would suggest (considering your mother wears a 'God does not believe in atheists' t-shirt) that you shouldn`t discuss your beliefes with your family. For relationship reasons. You never know how they will react, If you say your an atheist. If they really are fanatic about religion. She might become really upset thinking you are going to hell and constantly try to save you. So, I guess it`s best to stay undercover. I`m just giving my opinion of what I would do in your shoes. Meh, I probably wouldn`t be able to keep my mouth shut anyways :p

Yeah, I am going to keep all this away from my parents, thanks for all your guys help.
I guess there is no reason to keep this thred up, I guess let it die, if anyone wants to talk to me about it, just PM me.
I fell relived.

God damnit, fucking atheists. Don't you all have a cross burning ceremony to attend? Oh wait...

Look mike, I'm not going to sit here and tell you there's no God and that you die and rot and that's it. To the best of my knowledge, what happens after death has never been verified. Research the "AWARE" studies that are being done by scientists and researchers concerning the afterlife. Follow your own path Mike. Following the advice and path of christians AND/OR atheists is still being a sheep. And you're not a sheep, you're a bright individual who (like most of us) is searching for answers pertaining to our origins. Follow what you want because it resonates with every fiber of your being as something that vibes with you - not because you were told or brought up to think or believe a certain thing. And no I'm not talking about organized religion. Perhaps your journey for answers will take you an entire lifetime. I think it's better to be in a position of "I don't know" and be open to what may be than to be in a position of "I know what is and I know what isn't" which cuts you off to anything that just may possibly...be.

Bottom line: Take up your own GPS and navigate your own map of life. You don't need anyone to program what your ending location will be. The true joy (I find) is by trying to find that out for yourself.

Following the advice and path of christians AND/OR atheists is still being a sheep.

You also shouldn't follow the advice of people who don't believe in talking grape juice. That would make you a sheep to the dogma of non-talking-grape-juicers!

P.S. You're basically telling this guy that ignorance is a virtue. Way to go. You know, there's a difference between ignorance and independence.

Do NOT do what 'feels right'. What 'feels right' will be the indoctrination they pounded into you as a child. That's why it's called indoctrination. You need to step away from the comfortable to seek the truth. And that means temporary pain. Pain or ignorance, make your choice.

Originally Posted by Serkat

P.S. You're basically telling this guy that ignorance is a virtue. Way to go. You know, there's a difference between ignorance and independence.

You missed my entire point. Nowhere...within my post...did I implicitly or explicitly imply that ignorance is a virtue. That would mean that I told him to reject everything and place a green sim-like question mark over his head for as long as he lives. Go back and read my post. I told him to be aware of manipulative tactics being used by religions and atheists to bash and indoctrinate their viewpoints on people.

I slugged Zhaylin pretty hard but at the end I told her that if she feels more of a person by her beliefs and that it's made her life better and has enriched the lives of those around her...then she should continue being a Jehovas Witness. I say this because to me it's not so much about the faith/god she has but what it's done for her as a person. I've met some really nice and sweet "do anything for you" christians and some really shitty "I know it all...you're beneath me" atheists. Faith and beliefs aside, guess who I'd much rather invite over to dinner? I'd rather be a happy christian (or whatever) than a depressed atheist any day of the week. This is not to say every atheist is a depressed know it all...however, most of my encounters with them (on and offline) have been quite comparable to that title. Some people aren't prepared to entertain the thoughts and notions of there possibly NOT being a God. For those that aren't...why force it? They haven't reached a stage in their life where they can grasp such a concept...and to shove it is unnecessary bombardment.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Do NOT do what 'feels right'. What 'feels right' will be the indoctrination they pounded into you as a child. That's why it's called indoctrination. You need to step away from the comfortable to seek the truth. And that means temporary pain. Pain or ignorance, make your choice.

Not necessarily. I live in Mississippi...the bible belt of the America. Christianity has always been...as you put it..."pounded" into me at an early age. It didn't really feel right then and it doesn't feel right now. I believe Mike is quite capable of forging his own path in life without you or anyone else trying to rip out a pre-existing map of "truth" and replacing it with your own.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Not necessarily. I live in Mississippi...the bible belt of the America. Christianity has always been...as you put it..."pounded" into me at an early age. It didn't really feel right then and it doesn't feel right now. I believe Mike is quite capable of forging his own path in life without you or anyone else trying to rip out a pre-existing map of "truth" and replacing it with your own.

Obviously not, if he's still entertaining the notion of actually believing the religious bullshit. Remember, this isn't something he chose; it was told to him from day 1. And he still believes it on some level. How is that in any way independent thought?

Originally Posted by Jeff777

God damnit, fucking atheists. Don't you all have a cross burning ceremony to attend? Oh wait...

Look mike, I'm not going to sit here and tell you there's no God and that you die and rot and that's it. To the best of my knowledge, what happens after death has never been verified. Research the "AWARE" studies that are being done by scientists and researchers concerning the afterlife. Follow your own path Mike. Following the advice and path of christians AND/OR atheists is still being a sheep. And you're not a sheep, you're a bright individual who (like most of us) is searching for answers pertaining to our origins. Follow what you want because it resonates with every fiber of your being as something that vibes with you - not because you were told or brought up to think or believe a certain thing. And no I'm not talking about organized religion. Perhaps your journey for answers will take you an entire lifetime. I think it's better to be in a position of "I don't know" and be open to what may be than to be in a position of "I know what is and I know what isn't" which cuts you off to anything that just may possibly...be.

Bottom line: Take up your own GPS and navigate your own map of life. You don't need anyone to program what your ending location will be. The true joy (I find) is by trying to find that out for yourself.

Have you payed attention? I didn`t tell him that he shouldn`t believe in a deity or anything else. I told him to get out of religion. I wanted him to start thinking, that was my whole point.

Originally Posted by JustSoSick

Have you payed attention? I didn`t tell him that he shouldn`t believe in a deity or anything else. I told him to get out of religion. I wanted him to start thinking, that was my whole point.

Then obviously I wasn't addressing you, now was I?

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Then obviously I wasn't addressing you, now was I?

I don`t know, I`m asking you?

Since it was mostly me and Drew posting who else were you reffering to when you say 'atheists'?