Thread: Tell me about Pentecostal, and why people fall over in church!

Originally Posted by magical mike

Ok, so I am not sure how to spell it but... Pentecostal..
Anyways, I went to this youth explosion thing for teens only, and I was there with my twin sister. and I dint know anyone, but we were all parying for like 15 hours a day non stop, except for to eat..
But anyways, on the last day, I was parying, and I started to fell like I was WILDing..
I was like Oh sweet I am WILDing weird lol...
But then I thought oh its like an OBE..
Then I felt like I was floating in the air!
My eyes were closed, and I felt like a 20 hands on my back, and I seen an angel (I thought I was dreaming but I wasent)
Then it felt like I went back down to the ground, and my leggs felt like jello, and I kept shaking and laughing, then I fell face forward and slammed my face on the stairs, and it dint hurt, and I just laid there all shaking around laughing, and I couldent stop shaking for like 2 hours after wards..
I have no idea or anything about pentecostal or what it is, or why. or how people fall over.
But I see it on TV all the time, I asked a guy there, and he said I was slain in the power of the lord, or something, i told my mom when I got back, and she acted like she dint care..
Was this just hypnosis or what? I wasent faking it BTW I swear!

I used to go to a pentecostal church for over a year. They run through the pews, through the aisles, do back flips, holy ghost dances, and speak in an unknown tongue they believe to be a heavenly language.

What's the difference between a mental institution and a pentecostal church? The church lets their people leave after 3 pm.

Seriously? I mean it felt so real!
It was like a dream!

And I was saying things as I was parying that just slipped of my tounge, and I dint know what thay were.
It was something like
Ae, shanono it was weird...
I hope no one thinks I am a freak..

It's just an emotional/psychological/chemical response to external stimuli(i.e. the hundreds of people around you doing the same thing).

oh, ok well that was still cool, its like a drug!

its so easy for everyone and their mother to make fun of pentawhatever

of course its easy for the non believer to say "hallucination". but lets not forget that altered states of mind are the back bone of all spiritual beliefs and mysticism, including christianity. its why christians meditate, its why you fast, sometimes for days, sometimes for weeks. its all about clearing the mind and being able to easily fall into an altered state where its believed you can be closer to the divine

and this belief in the trance is practically universal across culture and religions. the yogis are doing it so why not?

its not practiced so much in mainstream christianity, but hey, lets face it, mainstream christianity is boring. you can go to church your entire life and experience nothing spiritual!! what was the point of that?

lets all trance!!

ok, I agree with you.
It was really great.
Sometimes I fell the same way I felt at the church after I awake from a lucid dream.
Its weird.
Thanks for your insight!

Is this it?



HOLY GHOST! ROFL!

Originally Posted by juroara

its so easy for everyone and their mother to make fun of pentawhatever

of course its easy for the non believer to say "hallucination". but lets not forget that altered states of mind are the back bone of all spiritual beliefs and mysticism, including christianity. its why christians meditate, its why you fast, sometimes for days, sometimes for weeks. its all about clearing the mind and being able to easily fall into an altered state where its believed you can be closer to the divine

and this belief in the trance is practically universal across culture and religions. the yogis are doing it so why not?

its not practiced so much in mainstream christianity, but hey, lets face it, mainstream christianity is boring. you can go to church your entire life and experience nothing spiritual!! what was the point of that?

lets all trance!!

Thank you for saving me the trouble of typing.

+1

Yeah thats it, Its weird... Except the one I went to was called, Youth something, and it was like a rave, and with no old people.

Wow. I'm PENECOSTAL and I take offence to half of the stuff here. Yes, we play with snakes. Yes, we speak in tongues. And yes, we are pretty psycho. But that does not give you the right to insult us.

As for the OP..

"All Bible-believing Christians who study the Word of God are in agreement that the gift of tongues is present in the inspired Scriptures. In the New Testament two lists of gifts appear in which the gift of tongues is included. In 1 Corinthians 12:8-11 “kinds of tongues” and “the interpretation of tongues” are said to be sovereignly bestowed gifts of the Holy Spirit. In 1 Corinthians 12:28-30 “tongues” appears in the list of gifts. We call them “spiritual gifts” from the Greek word charisma, suggesting that the gift is a bestowment of God’s grace. It is not a natural ability that one might develop, but rather a special gift as those appearing in the above mentioned passages in First Corinthians.

The Holy Spirit is sovereign in the distribution of these gifts. Following the listing of the gifts, Paul adds, “But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as He will” (1 Corinthians 12:11). No one person has all the gifts, nor are we to seek the gifts. We must be careful that we do not confuse the Spirit as a gift to the believer with the gifts the Spirit gives to believers. Every believer has received the gift of the Spirit, but not every believer has received the gifts which the Spirit bestows." 1

What all that bibletalk means is that God will bestow upon you the language of the tongue, or the understanding of the tongue. Never both. Usually one will speak out, and if anyone that has the understanding of the tongue, they will translate what was spoken in tongues to a language that everyone can understand (i.e. English).

And that basically sums all of that up. One of the reasons you could've possibly fallen out is because you were filled with the holy spirit. The only other thing I can think of, which is completely hypothetical, is that your twin somehow shared her emotions and feeling through you telepathically.

Which suits your fancy?

1.Lehman Strauss, Litt.D., F.R.G.S. (http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=393)

WOW So cool!
I can speak in tounges!
I wonder what it means!
I should have asked someone!
I still remember what I said, but will it still work? Or is it an ever changing language?

And I dont remember my sister falling over or anything.
so I dont think the telepathy thing is right, I am sure I was filled with the lord or what ever

Originally Posted by Moar Pens

Wow. I'm PENECOSTAL and I take offence to half of the stuff here. Yes, we play with snakes. Yes, we speak in tongues. And yes, we are pretty psycho. But that does not give you the right to insult us.

As for the OP..

"All Bible-believing Christians who study the Word of God are in agreement that the gift of tongues is present in the inspired Scriptures. In the New Testament two lists of gifts appear in which the gift of tongues is included. In 1 Corinthians 12:8-11 “kinds of tongues” and “the interpretation of tongues” are said to be sovereignly bestowed gifts of the Holy Spirit. In 1 Corinthians 12:28-30 “tongues” appears in the list of gifts. We call them “spiritual gifts” from the Greek word charisma, suggesting that the gift is a bestowment of God’s grace. It is not a natural ability that one might develop, but rather a special gift as those appearing in the above mentioned passages in First Corinthians.

The Holy Spirit is sovereign in the distribution of these gifts. Following the listing of the gifts, Paul adds, “But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as He will” (1 Corinthians 12:11). No one person has all the gifts, nor are we to seek the gifts. We must be careful that we do not confuse the Spirit as a gift to the believer with the gifts the Spirit gives to believers. Every believer has received the gift of the Spirit, but not every believer has received the gifts which the Spirit bestows." 1

What all that bibletalk means is that God will bestow upon you the language of the tongue, or the understanding of the tongue. Never both. Usually one will speak out, and if anyone that has the understanding of the tongue, they will translate what was spoken in tongues to a language that everyone can understand (i.e. English).

And that basically sums all of that up. One of the reasons you could've possibly fallen out is because you were filled with the holy spirit. The only other thing I can think of, which is completely hypothetical, is that your twin somehow shared her emotions and feeling through you telepathically.

Which suits your fancy?

1.Lehman Strauss, Litt.D., F.R.G.S. (http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=393)

Not all Christians subscribe to that, I was raised Catholic and at least 75% of the people in my the local church (counting even the old and less educated ones) would laugh their asses off if they saw anyone speaking in "tongues" or doing anything of that sort.


Of this I have no doubt: Jesus (if he actually existed) would much rather have you helping those in suffering instead of wasting time doing a silly dance and speaking gibberish.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

Not all Christians subscribe to that, I was raised Catholic and at least 75% of the people in my the local church (counting even the old and less educated ones) would laugh their asses off if they saw anyone speaking in "tongues" or doing anything of that sort.

I was grown up catholic too

and why I can't stand catholicism anymore

catholics are so...materialistic in their world view compared to other religious groups

You can't talk to other catholics about mystical, supernatural or spiritual experiences in your life. Not really. The conversation gets awkward. Catholicism leaves no room to openly talk about spirituality in a serious manner.

in another religious culture, you can talk about ghosts. You can talk about the spirits of deceased loved ones and your experiences with them. You can talk about dreams. But the average catholic, theres no telling how serious they would take such a delicate conversation. Roll their eyes and do the coocoo sign behind your back

or maybe I'm completely wrong

maybe its just that so many catholics these days are so westernized into a materialistic life and world view that separates heaven from earth

"All Bible-believing Christians who study the Word of God [/quote]

this is the first problem

most christians who study the so called Word of God, haven't. Here is what they have done - they read the bible, they didn't understand the translation. because one, its usually old English - two the original isn't in english and makes many time based cultural references

and three - they are usually CHILDREN when they start 'studying' the bible

so the poor dear child gets to a sentence, a passage, a word they don't quite understand "what does this mean?" and in this case "what does it mean to speak in tongues?"

and the adult, usually the parent answers - what they were told by their parents - who were told by their parents - who were told by their parents

"it sounds like gibberish"

the child then trusts their parents, who were told by their parents, who were told by their parents, who were told by their parents - that this explanation of speaking in tongues must be true - that it sounds like gibberish.

how many christians question the INTERPRETATION of their holy text? how many christians are asking Jesus himself to give them the understanding of a passage through the holy spirit in them? how many instead rely on other people, OTHER PEOPLE to tell them what 'this' 'means'


don't trust what your pastor, what your father, or who ever told you how to interpret the bible - do the research yourself. especially with the internet, there is loads of new information that the average christian didn't have access to before

and if you do the research - there are other interpretations of speaking in tongues. to hang onto one understanding of speaking in tongues and refusing to learn the others, is willful ignorance

and one of them says, it means that the person will speak all tongues at once. they will speak a language that is not a human language - but a language that is simply understood because it is purest language. so it wouldn't matter what language you speak - you will understand the person speaking in tongues. imagine an angel speaking to you and at the same time someone in the same room who doesn't speak english. what language did the angel speak?

it would make no sense for someone to speak GIBBERISH, and then we need an interpreter to tell us what this gibberish means. when Jesus teaches you NO ONE stands between you and Christ. Wouldn't it be contradictory then to hang on the words of one person? To rely on this person to tell you what Christ has to say?

yet that is what christians constantly do. they go to ANOTHER PERSON to tell them what Christ is saying

that is the difference between a true spiritual christian, and a christian sheep - and the sheep goes...BAAAAA

Originally Posted by juroara

"All Bible-believing Christians who study the Word of God

this is the first problem

most christians who study the so called Word of God, haven't. Here is what they have done - they read the bible, they didn't understand the translation. because one, its usually old English - two the original isn't in english and makes many time based cultural references

and three - they are usually CHILDREN when they start 'studying' the bible

so the poor dear child gets to a sentence, a passage, a word they don't quite understand "what does this mean?" and in this case "what does it mean to speak in tongues?"

and the adult, usually the parent answers - what they were told by their parents - who were told by their parents - who were told by their parents

"it sounds like gibberish"

the child then trusts their parents, who were told by their parents, who were told by their parents, who were told by their parents - that this explanation of speaking in tongues must be true - that it sounds like gibberish.

how many christians question the INTERPRETATION of their holy text? how many christians are asking Jesus himself to give them the understanding of a passage through the holy spirit in them? how many instead rely on other people, OTHER PEOPLE to tell them what 'this' 'means'


don't trust what your pastor, what your father, or who ever told you how to interpret the bible - do the research yourself. especially with the internet, there is loads of new information that the average christian didn't have access to before

and if you do the research - there are other interpretations of speaking in tongues. to hang onto one understanding of speaking in tongues and refusing to learn the others, is willful ignorance

and one of them says, it means that the person will speak all tongues at once. they will speak a language that is not a human language - but a language that is simply understood because it is purest language. so it wouldn't matter what language you speak - you will understand the person speaking in tongues. imagine an angel speaking to you and at the same time someone in the same room who doesn't speak english. what language did the angel speak?

it would make no sense for someone to speak GIBBERISH, and then we need an interpreter to tell us what this gibberish means. when Jesus teaches you NO ONE stands between you and Christ. Wouldn't it be contradictory then to hang on the words of one person? To rely on this person to tell you what Christ has to say?

yet that is what christians constantly do. they go to ANOTHER PERSON to tell them what Christ is saying

that is the difference between a true spiritual christian, and a christian sheep - and the sheep goes...BAAAAA

I completely agree with most of what you say. Most of which is what you said in the first two paragraphs. You seem to think most of us Christians are unable to think for ourselves. I was not raised to be a Christian. I was never taught the bible, no one in my family ever prayed, and we certainly didn't go to church. So, as time grew on, I adopted Atheism.

Of course, we all know how skeptic Atheists are. My thought process was very logical. I found the whole concept of a benevolent being impossible. I started dating a girl who was Christian, and after going to church with her for a party I ended up just TRYING to pray, and suddenly all the doubt was gone. Everything was lifted off of my shoulders and I knew that I had found what I was looking for.

As I had found God that way, without much earlier knowledge of Christianity itself, I started to study the bible. Without anyone else's opinions on the meaning of the scripture clouding my mind, I was able to take in each passage. And you say no one asks for a true understanding of the bible? You are wrong. I studied, and as I did I prayed more about that than anything else. It was only after I found the first church I've ever gone to, the one I still go to now, when I discovered most Christians do ask for an understanding of His Word.

And to be honest, I'm not entirely booked on the idea of speaking in tongues, either, but there seems less fault in it than anything else I can come up with. I've also prayed on it, and from what I can tell, I was right. Who knows? Maybe the true meaning of scripture is subjective to all of us.

And also, the Gifts that the Spirit give us will not keep us from God or His Son. People may never experience either of those things, and neither is necessary to grow in Christ and join Him in the afterlife. You didn't see me saying "If you don't speak in tongues, or understand it, you're going to hell." Because that isn't true. As materialistic and as far from God as Catholics may be, if they have faith and have the sin cleansed from their heart, they will go to Heaven. The same is true with any single other Christian denomination.

Originally Posted by juroara

I was grown up catholic too

and why I can't stand catholicism anymore

catholics are so...materialistic in their world view compared to other religious groups

You can't talk to other catholics about mystical, supernatural or spiritual experiences in your life. Not really. The conversation gets awkward. Catholicism leaves no room to openly talk about spirituality in a serious manner.

in another religious culture, you can talk about ghosts. You can talk about the spirits of deceased loved ones and your experiences with them. You can talk about dreams. But the average catholic, theres no telling how serious they would take such a delicate conversation. Roll their eyes and do the coocoo sign behind your back

or maybe I'm completely wrong

maybe its just that so many catholics these days are so westernized into a materialistic life and world view that separates heaven from earth

I disagree completely.

But keep in mind when I say Catholics I don't mean Catholics from the US, I'm talking about the Catholics I meet in my daily life, as here in Portugal most of the population is Religious and Catholic, at least to some degree. However, when I say non-Catholics I'm referring to those from the US that I'm always meeting on the Internet, saw on TV, etc. (I've never met one outside those mediums)

Comparing those two, I'd say Catholics are much more sane than the rest. I've never seen a Catholic promoting Creationism. If a parent complained that it should be taught in science classes, the teachers would just roll on the floor laughing. Many people actually think I'm joking when I first tell them there are creationist movements and "controversy" surrounding evolution in America. (the only time I've even saw someone rejecting evolution it was a Jehovah's witness, or orthodox church, or something)

Catholics don't have that witchcraft paranoia either (calling many things, like new age practices, demoniac, the devil's work, satanic, etc).

But then again, it might just be that fanaticism is innate to America and not non-Catholics. It's probably unfair to compare Catholic Christians outside the US with non-Catholic Christians from the US.

Either way, Christianity is bullshit regardless of the sect you happen to subscribe to.

I just dont wana go to hell...
Seriously.
I Guess all I need is to let god know I know I am sinner..
right? hope so.
I mean I never know if I am going to heaven or hell..

Originally Posted by magical mike

I just dont wana go to hell...
Seriously.
I Guess all I need is to let god know I know I am sinner..
right? hope so.
I mean I never know if I am going to heaven or hell..

Hell is an illusion.


Life is where you are tested.

Originally Posted by magical mike

I just dont wana go to hell...
Seriously.
I Guess all I need is to let god know I know I am sinner..
right? hope so.
I mean I never know if I am going to heaven or hell..

How do you know hell and heaven are real?

That's awesome did people give you weird looks? Did they help you up? Maybe it was a dream. Having an obe in a church would be insane.

You say you spent the whole week praying. How much sleep did you get? Sounds at least possible that it could have been an effect of sleep deprivation.

C'mon guys...seriously...speaking in tongues? It's not even an interpretable language! Jesus's life is a complete plagiarism of the Egyptian God Horus's life. Our leaders are crazy for believing in it...don't tell me the lot of you do as well. Mike, I'm happy for you if you're happy...however, I emplore you to look into how the Christian faith originated and the truths behind it. Research material from objective sources. This means do NOT go up to your pastor and ask him to tell you about the bible's origins. Chances are he doesn't know himself, so he will probably spoon feed you regurgitated mess that he once heard someone say during seminary class or saw on TBN.

The story of Horus was around over 1,000 years before even the old testament (first books of the bible) were written, let alone the new testament. Please read all of the below information.

[Research all of the below for yourself, and you'll find out. Christianity, however teaches you "not to wander outside of the bible (or Jesus) for questions. Hmm...I wonder why? Perhaps because they didn't want you to know the below information? ]

-Horus's earthly title? KRST meaning the anointed one
-Jesus's earthly title? Christ meaning the anointed one

-Horus was conceived by a virgin
-Jesus was conceived by a virgin

-Horus was Osiris's only begotten son
-Jesus was God's only begotten son

-Horus was the sun god
-Jesus was the "son" of god

-Horus's mothers name was Meri
-Jesus's mothers name was Miriam, which translates into Mary

-Horus had a foster father named Seb
-Jesus had a foster father named Joseph

-Horus's annunciation was by an angel to Isis
-Jesus's annunciation was by an angel to Miriam, his mother

-Horus's birth was heralded by the sirius morning star
-Jesus' birth was heralded by an unidentified "star in the east"

-Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus through the streets at the time of the winter solstice (typically DEC-21)
-Incidentally enough, Jesus's birth date is celebrated on Dec. 25. The ORIGINAL date was chosen to occur on the same date as the birth of Mithra, Dionysus, and the Sol Invictus (unconquerable sun)

-"HERUT" tried to have Horus murdered as a baby
-"HEROD" tried to have Jesus murdered as a baby

-Break in life history? Horus's life went from age 12 to 30
-Jesus's life went from age 12 to 30

-Horus was baptized at age 30 in the Erdinaus river by Anup
-Jesus was baptized at age 30 in the Jordan river by John

-Both baptizers in both stories were beheaded

-Temptation? Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta by "Sut" to a high mountain where his arch rival "Sut" aka (Set) tempted him
-Jesus was taken from the desert in palestine to a high mountain by his arch rival Satan and was tempted by him as well

-Horus Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored sight to the blind, and "stilled the sea by his power"
-Jesus walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored sight to the blind and ordered the sea to calm by saying "Peace be still"

-How was Horus killed? By crucifixion
-How was Jesus killed? By crucifixion

-What'd Horus do after death? He descended into Hell and ressurected after 3 days
-What'd Jesus do after death? He descended into hell and ressurected after 3 days

-Horus's ressurection was announced by women
-Jesus's ressurection was announced by women

-Future prophecy about Horus: Will reign for 1,000 years in the millenium
-Future prophecy about Jesus: Will reign for 1,000 years

-Horus is commonly portrayed as an infant being held by his virgin mother Isis
-Jesus is commonly portrayed as an infant being held by his virgin mother Mary

THIS is an Egyptian Ankh, the gods were frequently seen holding it. It is often mistaken for the cross which is associated with Jesus. Thing is, this Ankh was around a millenia before Jesus's time as well.


THIS is the cross we all know so well today. I'm not sure if the cross was plagiarized from the ankh (I haven't read any comparisons between the two) but I wouldn't doubt it.

So please...tell me...(since the story of Horus was around over 1,000 years before the story of Christ) why any rational man or woman would blindly follow such a plagiarized religion. Thomas Jefferson (one of america's forefather's) hated religion so much, he created another bible (taken from the christian new testament) except the took out everything about Jesus proclaiming himself divine and how you can get to heaven through him. He called the bible "The faith and moral teachings of Jesus of Nazareth". Aside from all the divinity, heaven and burn in hell talk...the bible is not a great book to read.

Everyone (yes, everyone...even you atheists) have an inner desire to know where we came from and meet our maker. Religion, exploits this need and makes billions of (tax exempt) dollars each year by doing so. I don't perceive to know who or what "The Creator" (if you believe in that sort of thing, perhaps the multi-verse theory is your preference) may or may not be...I do know that I don't like ignorance nor do I like people who exploit those who have a burning desire to know what "God" is.

@Scatterbrain

How do you know hell and heaven are real?

Just incase right?

@hellohihello

That's awesome did people give you weird looks? Did they help you up? Maybe it was a dream. Having an obe in a church would be insane.

No no one gave me weird looks, there was alot of others doing it.
No, no one helped me up, I just laid there for a while lol.
And no it was not a dream, I remember what I was doing hours before, and hours after. In fact I have a T-shirt thay gave us for going.
I dont think there are OBEs but just Lucid Dreams.

@lily

what happened?
You say you spent the whole week praying. How much sleep did you get? Sounds at least possible that it could have been an effect of sleep deprivation.

No I dont think I said week, if I did I meant 2 days lol.
We got there at 8am, then took brakes for lunch, dinner, and a few other brakes..
And left after like 14 hours (a long time) I think it might have been midnight.
Then we went back the next day and did the same thing (Happened to me on the second day)
So It might have been SD.
but IDK

@Jeff777
What if all those facts, are just tests to test our faith? I sound like a hypocrite talking about OBEs being just LDs.
But I dont know, I really dont wana go to hell.
Its not a big deal if I believe in it anyways right? I mean, theres nothing else that could go wrong if what I believe in is real when its not.
But yeah. I totaly understand what your saying though.
But what if you like die one day, and you go to hell? That would suck right?
Just because you dont believe in it dose'nt mean it might not be real?
IDK, I dont wana start any arguments