Thread: Ask me about vegetarianism

Originally Posted by XeL

What I personally don't understand is meat-eaters who simply can't accept that there might be a slight possibility that their way of living isn't the healthiest. Why do they have to get so defensive about it? I drink coke because I like the taste, although I know it's not healthy. I'm still very well aware of the fact that it would be better for me to drink let's say juice.

Instead, they'll start picking on people for not eating meat. I'm actually getting really sick and tired of people criticizing me for my way of living. And when you back it up with solid arguments they'll laugh it off. I swear, I haven't had one single conversation with a meat-eater about this that has ended with them saying: "Alright, it's actually really good that you want to live healthy and that you care for the environment." It just doesn't happen for some reason.

Sigh.

You're right, but that doesn't only apply for vegetarians or vegans. Ignorance and blind pride are very common. The same happens the other way around. For example I see absolutely no problem in eating artificial meat and I definitely would if given the chance. Nobody ever gives me reasons for not wanting to other than "It's not natural" or the like. To this day, there are a number of arguments that I know I won't get a legitimate reply to. All I do know is that they simply don't want to, and who am I to tell them what to do? My morals have more of a hedonistic, stoic edge though, so I often disagree with many people. It's like this religion vs. atheism stuff; if they're happy doing something and they're not harming you, then just let them do it. That's what I think anyway.

Originally Posted by XeL

What I personally don't understand is meat-eaters who simply can't accept that there might be a slight possibility that their way of living isn't the healthiest. Why do they have to get so defensive about it? I drink coke because I like the taste, although I know it's not healthy. I'm still very well aware of the fact that it would be better for me to drink let's say juice.

Instead, they'll start picking on people for not eating meat. I'm actually getting really sick and tired of people criticizing me for my way of living. And when you back it up with solid arguments they'll laugh it off. I swear, I haven't had one single conversation with a meat-eater about this that has ended with them saying: "Alright, it's actually really good that you want to live healthy and that you care for the environment." It just doesn't happen for some reason.

Sigh.

Didn't know you were a vagitarian Axel

Originally Posted by XeL

What I personally don't understand is meat-eaters who simply can't accept that there might be a slight possibility that their way of living isn't the healthiest. Why do they have to get so defensive about it? I drink coke because I like the taste, although I know it's not healthy. I'm still very well aware of the fact that it would be better for me to drink let's say juice.

Instead, they'll start picking on people for not eating meat. I'm actually getting really sick and tired of people criticizing me for my way of living. And when you back it up with solid arguments they'll laugh it off. I swear, I haven't had one single conversation with a meat-eater about this that has ended with them saying: "Alright, it's actually really good that you want to live healthy and that you care for the environment." It just doesn't happen for some reason.

Sigh.

That's so true! It tires me when I have to explain to many people why I am vegetarian, while they're just waiting for me to finish so they can lecture me about how to eat.

Originally Posted by undeadjellybean

That's so true! It tires me when I have to explain to many people why I am vegetarian, while they're just waiting for me to finish so they can lecture me about how to eat.

"You should really eat meat! It's unhealthy not to!"

Yeah, because the human body absolutely needs meat to survive. Idiots.

Originally Posted by lordyM

"You should really eat meat! It's unhealthy not to!"

Yeah, because the human body absolutely needs meat to survive. Idiots.

I've seen a study somewhere even on teeth. You know how grazing animals and the like have completely rounded teeth and how the hardcore predators all have sharp teeth? Apparently we're "meant" to be eating meat evolutionarily because of our sharp canines or something along the lines.

Because eating something dead makes you live longer... -.-

Unless you're eating rocks or something Korean your diet is probably composed of dead stuff too.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Unless you're eating rocks or something Korean your diet is probably composed of dead stuff too.

OR maybe I'm a raw foodist

Originally Posted by Paraknight

I've seen a study somewhere even on teeth. You know how grazing animals and the like have completely rounded teeth and how the hardcore predators all have sharp teeth? Apparently we're "meant" to be eating meat evolutionarily because of our sharp canines or something along the lines.

It is because we are scavengers. There are some essential vitamins we derive from meat, but a single meat meal once a year will suffice.

Originally Posted by undeadjellybean

OR maybe I'm a raw foodist

Whether you cook it or not doesn't matter, if you rip a plant out of the ground it's dead.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Whether you cook it or not doesn't matter, if you rip a plant out of the ground it's dead.

The raw foods diet is otherwise called "The Living Foods Diet"
The Living foods, they're still alive, even when you rip the plant out.

Originally Posted by undeadjellybean

The raw foods diet is otherwise called "The Living Foods Diet"
The Living foods, they're still alive, even when you rip the plant out.

But surely whatever it is dies while being digested by stomach acid.

Is it just me that finds eating dead stuff less weird than eating living stuff . If only celery could yell...

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Is it just me that finds eating dead stuff less weird than eating living stuff . If only celery could yell...

Reminds me of this:



An april-fools prank ThinkGeek pulled that was rather obvious.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Is it just me that finds eating dead stuff less weird than eating living stuff . If only celery could yell...

I don't want to eat something so closely related to a human being.

Originally Posted by XeL

I don't want to eat something so closely related to a human being.

So a chicken is closely related to a human now?

It has a brain, a heart and a will to live.

I dont have anything against vegitarians. It has some practicle reasons. I dont like it when Christians are vegitarians for the reason that they feel bad for the animals. God put them here to be eatin. From a Christian perspective they dont have souls so it dosn't matter if you kill them they are just as alive as any plant. and is prety important for a balanced diet. plus it tastes good.

Originally Posted by XeL

It has a brain, a heart and a will to live.

Would you eat jellyfish?

No, but for other reasons.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Is it just me that finds eating dead stuff less weird than eating living stuff . If only celery could yell...

Edit: Sorry, I just realized that this comment was in response to the raw food diet. Feel free to ignore.

I don't think you're serious, but just for clarification, three points I'd like to make:

1. If you cut celery off, or you make a salad, I don't think there's much photosynthesis going on anymore.

2. Why do people act like there is no difference between alive with brain, fully developed nervous system
and fully developed conscious abilities (animals dream for example) and plants that are alive as well, but
lacking some of these distinguishing features.

3. Most importantly, if you were to say that vegetarians are unethical, because they eat tons of plants that
are alive as well (if only they could scream) your argument would backfire, since through a plant-based
diet you'd actually be ending up "killing a lot less of them". Letting more plants live is one of the reasons
I'm doing this (aka rainforest and waste of precious food)

I know you weren't totally serious with you remark, but people tried to argue me on that before.
"Yeah? Plants are living things, too, you know" Yea I know, plants are good people.

Originally Posted by XeL

It has a brain, a heart and a will to live.

It's because of this that I tried to go veggie before. But I'd done no research on a proper diet and made myself sick...

Sorry if this was covered before, I was lightly skimming the thread before logging to finish my work reports...

Anyone currently veggie live with a partner, or generally do the majority of the cooking in their household... do you cook for meat-eaters in your life? What's your practices on cooking for two different diets? Just add meat to whatever it is you made, after you serve your own plate first?

Further to that, what about the personal ethics side of things? I'm going veggie because of many reasons, one of them being the animal cruelty... but my BF is strictly never going to see things the way I do. So whether I don't eat it or not, I still have to cook with it.

There are several good reasons to do the research. It's not difficult to find good information on the
arguments for a vegetarian diet and also how to pursuit a healthy one. There are literally tons.
And you should definitely try to be healthy as a top priority.

Personally, I wouldn't cook with meat. So if I cook for friends and family, it's always strictly vegetarian
and so far noone I cooked for has complained. But if you are ok with it, I don't think it would be very
difficult to just simultaneously cook a vegetarian meal and a meat-based one. You can always just
add the meat later or serve it on an extra plate, so everyone can just pick whatever they want to eat.

All you probably need is an extra frying pan and some multi-tasking skills. Although there are meals,
like if you'd want to cook lasagne or something like that, where I'd imagine it being more difficult.

What kind of meals do you usually cook?
Maybe we could think of good ways to alter those to be vegetarian as well, without even changing much.

Oh trust me, it'd be very, very easy to add meat to whatever i'd be cooking!

I'm very much a staples 3-piece meal. Meat, carb and veg.

I really, really, really hate cooking!

Edit: Told the BF I was considering going veggie and he laughed at me. He bets I'd only last two hours before wanting meat. Nice support, eh? At least I can laugh at him once I switch. You have to like meat to miss it