Thread: Want to start having lucids now? I can help.

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Thank You!!

This method worked first try for me, and I also read your tutorial on how to make the dreams longer and more vivid and it worked flawlessly. I had one of the longest lucids I've ever had.

One question though: I set my alarm and wake up about 6 hours after sleeping and then turn on this timer alarm. When I do so, do I lie back down in bed and try to WILD? or do I just go to sleep normally after setting it and let the alarm wake me up and then lie still without moving?

bombdiggity - the op can correct me if i'm wrong but i feel that it wouldn't matter if you try to wild or if you just sleep after setting the alarm, as long as the alarm jolts you awake after the first few intervals. personally i would just try to fall asleep after the short intervals because the plan is for your mind to wake up by itself in your sleep anyway

made an attempt this morning, but apparently the owner of this house i stay in (rooms are rented out to uni students) has a fucking bird with the worst chirp ever, so fucking irritating, so fucking loud, its worst than a fucking alarm. IT hasnt stopped since i woke up to set the alarm. FUCKING. HELL.

I am going to try this tonight (or should I say, tomorrow morning). Will update tomorrow

Will try this out tonight and post the results in the morning. Thanks for this whether it works or not

I reached a new milestone for WILDing. I had auditory hallucinations and a faint blue light.

Originally Posted by BagO

Will try this out tonight and post the results in the morning. Thanks for this whether it works or not

My computer went into sleep mode after the 3rd interval or whatever so it just stopped beeping and I never finished it. Also, I wasn't able to sleep at all for some reason and I was awake already every time it beeped. Would it be alright to make the first beep 20 or 30 minutes because I cant fall asleep in the first 8 minutes, and then just do the rest of them normal?

Sorry guys.. I was away for a couple days.. so first of all let me answer a couple of the things that I saw. First of all , there is an MP3 file for this exact alarm and for ramp 4... and I want to thank Ah for posting it so everyone could use it.. 2nd of all, You should just try to go back to sleep as fast as possible every time you hear the alarm.. attempting to wild will keep you awake.. only attempt the wild technique later in the beeps when you wake up without moving or jolting... then just wait for SP to set in and go with it.. 3rd, make sure to turn off sleep and hibernation modes on the computer you are using.. that will keep the attempt from being ruined... 4th. The time in between beeps has been tested again and again by multiple people.. the ramp 4 time frames are the most successful for lucid dreaming.. If you find that you have trouble falling back asleep in between beeps, instead of changing the range, wake up earlier after fewer hours of sleep and this should not be a problem...

Has anyone else tried this technique, please post your results here. I guarantee you will get lucid using this technique if you dedicate just a little time to it...

Thanks,
Gary

Hey Gary,

So just to clarify, you're supposed to fall asleep as soon as possible right? And what do you do when the alarm goes off? Do you try to DEILD or what? I was under the impresison that the short intervals program your brain to wake up every 4-8 minutes and then during the 20 min interval your brain should "wake", kind of like a mini-Cycle Adjustment Technique but I think i'm on the wrong track.

thanks

No that is exactly right, however, if the method fails, then you use the beeps at the end to attempt DEILD.. I find that if the middle 20 minute spaces don't make me lucid that once the series of beeps kick in, that i can easily use that to attain 4-6 deilds by chaining.

Hey I dont think you understood what I'm saying and if you did and it's me who doesn't understand then sorry. What I was saying is that I cant fall asleep within 8 minutes. Ramp 4 (the one you told us to use) goes 8, 4, 8, 12, 16 ect... I was asking if it's ok to make it like 20, 8, 4, 8, 12, 16 ect.... this way I have just some time to fall asleep and then the rest of the ramp will be exactly the same.

well there are other ramps that have longer periods.. but I would suggest first getting up earlier and trying the ramp 4, so that you are more tired when you try them... I usually have no problem falling back to sleep after 4-5 hours of sleep, and I usually have the laptop directly next to my bed and running when i wake up, so i can sleepily set the timer and go straight back to sleep... but if getting up earlier still does not work, then sure ,try the other ramps, but the ramp 4 is the one that was shown to work best for the most people in the studies..

Hey guys, used this last night and wanted to stick up my results - Was worried about the getting up and setting the alarm part, I usually find it extremly hard to fall back to sleep after waking up and mving - no matter how much sleep Ive had, so I set the first interval to 300 mintues and moved the rest down one space (300.8.4.8....etc) so that it would go off 5 hours into my sleep.

When the alarm went off I was really suprised that I didnt open my eyes, I used the mantra "I will not open my eyes when I hear the alarm" and it actually worked. I was very aware of the SP and one very brief FA. I will definatly be trying this one again tonight, Although I found it REALLY difficult to recall any dreams which is unusual for me, maybe It was to early in the REM cycle?

I did have one question though - After the first alarm I awoke and started to fall back to sleep again with Lucid dreaming in mind....the second alarm (4 minutes later) seemed to pull me back to psyical awareness rather then just waking up my mind. I was wandering if you go into a Lucid shortly after the first alarm or the second or when? Do you reawaken and then drift back into a Lucid dream during the 20 min intervals or do you stay in the Lucid continuesly?

Thanks man I can feel that this is going to work after a bit more trial and error im sure of it!

Originally Posted by PercyLucid

Not bad, I DEILD without alarms. So far it had a success rate of 100% for me Most of the times I choose to write down my dreams. but if I really want to continue a dream, I DEILD from it just remembering myself.

What did your post contribute to this discussion (besides stroking your own ego)? Please tell me because I would like to know!

Well, occasionally you will become lucid using this method during sleep.. but usually this is not the case.. usually what happens is that EVERY single time the alarm goes off, you wake up and are actually awake.. however, if you do not open your eyes and do lay perfectly still, you can very quickly start SP, and transition directly into a lucid dream... Each time this alarm goes off, it gives you the opportunity to transition directly back into a lucid dream, and if you wake up before the alarm, follow the same instruction, do not move, do not open your eyes, just wait for SP, usually it hits very fast... I use this method to have multiple LD's in one session. Usually about 4 in a row that last a decent amount of time.. The only downfall is that sometimes while you are in a LD the alarm will wake you up, however, it is easy to slip right back into SP and pick up where you left off if you do not move or open your eyes.. You will find that many times, instead of hitting SP, you will fall back asleep... but each time you are woken up, your conscious becomes more aware, while each time, your body goes into deeper SP and much faster, hence, leading to waking up in SP, and waking up on the verge of SP, while being full aware.. After learning what this transition feels like and learning what its like slipping from SP into LD, you will find it is easier and easier to do this.. hence, becoming a better lucid dreamer...

Let me know how this all works out for you... and the rest of you guys, dont give up yet!

I have a few questions.

1) You say set the timer & go to sleep. I don't pocess the ability to go to sleep right out of the blue, it usually takes me 20-30 minutes to fall asleep. And the timer beeps 8 minutes in when I'm fully awake. Is that right?

2) So all Sleep long the beep will continue every 6 mins. Or should I turn it off like you mentioned in the OP?

3) Will I automatically become lucid after so long or will I have to do something in SP?

4) Will the beeps wake me up when I'm having a luicd dream? Like no. 2, should I turn the timer off when the pattern ends?

5) You said when the beeps sounds try to stay awake, but you also said go to sleep after the beep. What exactly am I supposed to do after the beeps, stay up or get sleep ?

Those are my only questions. Plz answer ASAP.

I'm a WILD noob, I usually just do WBTB & have been fairly successful when I deicate myself. So bear with me on the questions.

you should really just read the whole thread it will give you all of your answers. its not like inception where you automatically become lucid you have to work at it.. but basically you sleep for 3 - 4 hours normally then just turn this timer on and go back to bed

Originally Posted by ah19

you should really just read the whole thread it will give you all of your answers. its not like inception where you automatically become lucid you have to work at it.. but basically you sleep for 3 - 4 hours normally then just turn this timer on and go back to bed

Couldn't have said it better.
Since you are new to using the timer, every time the timer goes off, just treat it like you are waking and back to bed, but start from the back to bed part... you will either fall completely asleep, or transition to an LD.. and you get multiple tries if you fail

I read the thread but still somewhat confused about a few things. I wish your OP was a bit more detailed for beginners like myself.

So waking me up evry 6 mins is accurate? How long would the lucid dream last if I'm waking up every 6 minutes? can I change that to something more legnthy

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Originally Posted by deathxel

made an attempt this morning, but apparently the owner of this house i stay in (rooms are rented out to uni students) has a fucking bird with the worst chirp ever, so fucking irritating, so fucking loud, its worst than a fucking alarm. IT hasnt stopped since i woke up to set the alarm. FUCKING. HELL.

I know this is off topic.. but anyone considering getting a pet bird of -any- type, yes even a parrot that talks, refer to this quote. Never get a pet bird.

I had a pet bird. We ended up giving it away because of how loud and long it screeched for (hours on end, consistently every 3-5 seconds). So many wasted WBTB mornings because I couldn't fall back asleep.

For anyone weary of downloading a .exe file, or for other issues, see this link:

http://www.saltcube.com/timer.swf


I can vouch for this method. This is a SOLID way to start learning how to DEILD and WILD (the holy grails of lucid dreaming). Another tip to add to this is when the alarm goes off, if you wake up AND move, say to yourself a couple times "I will not move when I wake up". After a while, your body will stop moving when it wakes up, and you'll wake up in sleep paralysis.

Using this method can also make you have multiple lucid dreams in a row. When I was taught this I was able to chain 2-3 lucid dreams in a row with 100% vividness.

One question however, what if you are in a lucid dream and this timer goes off again? Is it going to wake you up out of the lucid dream?

Originally Posted by Rathez

One question however, what if you are in a lucid dream and this timer goes off again? Is it going to wake you up out of the lucid dream?

Yes, That is the only downfall to this method, however, there is an upside to it as well... If you are woke up by the alarm, it gives you the opportunity to transition right back into another Lucid Dream, counting as 2 Lucids, and giving you more transitioning experience....