Thread: Thats it! I'm just going to go and ask what everyone wants to know.

Well if your willing to put the time into it you could try CAT. I'm about to start it so I can't tell you of successful it is from experience, but from what I understand it's a pretty reliable way to get a few lucid dreams under your belt.

Uhhh... CAT?

Cycle adjustment technique. if i remember correctly you wake up early and spend time doing a crazy amount of rcs. when you sleep in your body will be used to doing the rcs. not sure if thats right though.

Oh, so basically WBTB, but where you do R.C.s like mad instead of other things? I can try that.. I'm used to WBTB, but not any of it's success. I'l have a stab at it, then report back tomorrow. Thanks.

Cycle adjustment technique. Basically you have to take the regular time you get up every morning and push it back a hour and a half(if you wake up at 8am then you have to wake up at 6:30am). After about a week your body has adjusted to the new schedule and will start helping you wake you at that time. After that first week you start alternating you wake up time (wake up at 8am one day, 6:30 am the next, repeat.) The basic concept is that you will be more likely to realize your dreaming on days you wake up late, because you mind starts waking itself up at the earlier time.

I've already adjusted my sleep schedule so I'm about to start switching up my wake up time. Only problem is that my AP tests have been getting in the way so I haven't been able to start yet.

Oooh.. so it's to trick your mind to eventually wake you up in the middle of a dream? I see. Well I can do that. I already set my alarm last night to go off at 5:30, so I woke up then went back to sleep, then woke up and got up at 8. So tomorrow I should wake up at 8, then the next day at 6, then 8, etc? I can do that. Hopefully it will get some results.

EDIT: Although, wouldn't you just end up waking up every morning at 7 ish? Or if you woke up during a dream because you alternate, wouldn't you just.. wake up? I dunno..

Well you have to train your mind to start the wake up process at the earlier time first, which is a week long process. I don't think you will get any results from just alternating times without doing the prep first.

I understand that, but if after a week I trained myself to wake up at 6. I would then turn off my alarm so I could sleep in later, but wouldn't I just wake up at 6 anyways?

The hope is that you won't wake up, but if you do you are supposed to just try to get back to sleep or try one of the other induction methods.

I don't know if you looked at this but here is the list of pros and cons taken from the CAT tut. on this site.


Pros.

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Reliable

In Daniel Love's experiments 8 out of 10 students reported a jump in the number of lucid dreams that they had. It can produce up to four lucid dreams every week.
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Logical

Because your internal clock expects you to wake up, the logic centre of the brain turns on. This makes the dream far more logical and clear.
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Recall

Because you are coming from a REM rebound, you are likely to wake directly from the dream without delay, this gives you the best recall.




Cons.

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Loss of Sleep

For an entire week you are losing 90 minutes of sleep every day, this amounts to 10.5 hours of sleep loss. During the actual technique you can adjust your bedtime, but on every other day you will be sleep deprived.
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Fragile

Because it depends so heavily on an uninterrupted internal body clock, missing a day or two will force you to re-calibrate your clock and go back into the adjustment phase.

No matter what, I would definately say either WBTB, or...
...just devote one day to it and just keep going back to sleep, while doing RCs the whole time. That was my FIRST method, back before I knew that what I was doing had a name.
Morning, or afternoon is definately the best time to do it, I think.

Ah, I see now. You won't just wake up on lie in days, your logic center will turn on, and you will become aware before you actually wake up.. hm... I could probably do this without too much bother about my internal body clock, but if it takes a full week to set up, I'm not sure if it's worth it for me or not.

I will start tonight anyways. Il set my alarm for 6 tonight, then tomorrow for 8. Hope this works, and thanks for providing a new method.

CAT is not the easiest way to have a lucid dream, that technique is slightly hard for begginers. Just do a MILD or learn about ADA and DILD's, keep doing the dream journal and if those don't work in two weeks do some WILD's, preferably a CANWILD.

Easiest/most successful are two different categories entirely. The easiest method for beginners to ease into would be a MILD or basic DILD. A WILD on the other hand would be the most surefire way to successfully get a lucid, and it's likely more stable. I recommend giving all methods a shot. Also be sure to keep a DJ.

Right, well I set my alarm for half 6 this morning, and sure enough I woke up. I then shifted in and out of sleep every 15 mins until half 8 when I had to get up.

Tomorrow I'm going to turn that half 6 alarm off, and just sleep through til 8.

I just read now everyone elses contributions, and I agree with what has been said. I have tried DILD and WILD and neither have worked after about a week, not even any kind of change. The sub messages I have been using MUST be taking away some of my dream recall, as I can barely remember the dreams when I read them on my little notepad I write on as soon as I wake up. I'm going to leave that for the time being, and focus on getting my body adjusted for CAT.
If that fails, I will focus more on my R.C.s, which I do every day.

Hands down brother, it's ADA. I have an inkling that its better not to go down the route of 'tricking' your brain into doing stuff but working with it, finding what you can do to make it easy for your brain to encourage lucid dreaming, instead of like, sabotage. Rearrange the circuitry, don't insert new circuitry? LOL

Anyway, yes, ADA is the best method, it is increasing your awareness so that it passes over into the dream. This is naturally how it should be, because in actual fact you know when you are in reality 100% of the time right, no question. THen why can't it be the same for a dream. If you've had a lucid, it feels like a lucid, not reality. No amount of reality checks or reprogramming your sleep cycle will make up for that simple fact, so its just about recognizing it. Within 2 days of practicing ADA, I had 2 lucids on consecutive days. So after doing it for 2 days, next 2 days I had my first lucids. They didn't last long but I'm a beginner. I stopped for a week, no lucids, tried keeping a journal, reality checks, etc.. But 2 days ago again I started practicing it, and then, TODAY i had 2 lucids the same night. Heck, in those lucids i didn't even reality check, i knew they were dreams, and had a very high level of lucidity, even managed to change the landscape, lasted longer, AND i could utilise my senses more, i actually heard detailed sound in my dream and that has NEVER happened to me. Birds in the forest, and twigs here and there, it actually amazed me. Only being aware in reality gives that experience, ADA. I want to get to the point where I never reality check ever, and just have that heightened awareness so I can notice when im dreaming like 95% of the time.

So yeah check out Yoshi's guide in the 'Attaining Lucidity' Section, can't post links yet :/

Wow, seriously? That sounds brilliant. I will definitely give that a go. So I just have to be self aware for as long as I can, all the time? That's hard, I tried it, but hey, if you got good results, I may as well try it. And I can still do CAT at the same time, really. So win win. If this really is as good as you make it out to be, then I will be thanking you so much.

Originally Posted by MrMarley

Hands down brother, it's ADA. I have an inkling that its better not to go down the route of 'tricking' your brain into doing stuff but working with it, finding what you can do to make it easy for your brain to encourage lucid dreaming, instead of like, sabotage. Rearrange the circuitry, don't insert new circuitry? LOL

Anyway, yes, ADA is the best method, it is increasing your awareness so that it passes over into the dream. This is naturally how it should be, because in actual fact you know when you are in reality 100% of the time right, no question. THen why can't it be the same for a dream. If you've had a lucid, it feels like a lucid, not reality. No amount of reality checks or reprogramming your sleep cycle will make up for that simple fact, so its just about recognizing it. Within 2 days of practicing ADA, I had 2 lucids on consecutive days. So after doing it for 2 days, next 2 days I had my first lucids. They didn't last long but I'm a beginner. I stopped for a week, no lucids, tried keeping a journal, reality checks, etc.. But 2 days ago again I started practicing it, and then, TODAY i had 2 lucids the same night. Heck, in those lucids i didn't even reality check, i knew they were dreams, and had a very high level of lucidity, even managed to change the landscape, lasted longer, AND i could utilise my senses more, i actually heard detailed sound in my dream and that has NEVER happened to me. Birds in the forest, and twigs here and there, it actually amazed me. Only being aware in reality gives that experience, ADA. I want to get to the point where I never reality check ever, and just have that heightened awareness so I can notice when im dreaming like 95% of the time.

So yeah check out Yoshi's guide in the 'Attaining Lucidity' Section, can't post links yet :/

You put forward a convincing argument But yeah, I had a lucid after my first 2 days of ADA.

But at the sametime it isn't 'easy', reliable yes, but it requires focus and if there are important things that require your attention and thinking time/short term memory at the moment, I wouldn't recommend it just yet. For example, I'm about to go into exams, and I certainly don't want to clog my short term memory with stuff that would usually pass straight through my sensory memory.

methods depend on the person. for example, if you wake up throughout the night, DEILD or FILD is probably going to be good for you. its just an example so i suggest you try them all.

DEILD is one of the best method, but it won't help getting your first LD
I would say try MILD, that plus RCs is how I got my first LD, only after 3 days.
(but I'm semi natural)
set no restraints on yourself, believe you are an expert lucid dreamer.

Deep relaxation techniques combined with visualization. This helps me enter a dream lucid. Technically it would be in the MILD family of overly-officious acronyms. My advice is to find what works for you and then stick with it.

There is no best, or easiest technique. Each person on this earth is different, which means different methods work for different people. Try EVERY technique diligently for at least a month and see what works best for you.

Originally Posted by Origami

Wow, seriously? That sounds brilliant. I will definitely give that a go. So I just have to be self aware for as long as I can, all the time? That's hard, I tried it, but hey, if you got good results, I may as well try it. And I can still do CAT at the same time, really. So win win. If this really is as good as you make it out to be, then I will be thanking you so much.

Yeah, definitely max your chances with doing the CAT at the same time, and keep a dream journal aswell. But I really think it'll work for you, ADA is a very intuitive way for LD'ing, I doubt it wouldn't work for someone.. really. Origami, definitely work at this though, you'll have your first lucid soon enough! ;D

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

You put forward a convincing argument But yeah, I had a lucid after my first 2 days of ADA.

But at the sametime it isn't 'easy', reliable yes, but it requires focus and if there are important things that require your attention and thinking time/short term memory at the moment, I wouldn't recommend it just yet. For example, I'm about to go into exams, and I certainly don't want to clog my short term memory with stuff that would usually pass straight through my sensory memory.

Yeah, it's definitely not easy, quite overwhelming at first, but it gets easier after a couple of days doing it. In your memory? I'm not sure about that, the whole point of it is that you are 'aware' and 'in the moment' so you would experience all these things and you would be aware of them, and know they happened, but then they move on, its just specifically in the moment, you don't store it in memory, well you shouldn't..

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

There is no best, or easiest technique. Each person on this earth is different, which means different methods work for different people. Try EVERY technique diligently for at least a month and see what works best for you.

This is right.

You might notice that like, everyone is giving a different answer. That's because these people have found their favourite. You just need to do the same, as rynkrt said.

The problem is the best, easiest, long term, quickest way to learn is always ignored by newbies who want a quick fix such as drinking juice or saying mantras before going to sleep.

I've written a few times exactly the best way to lucid dream and it always gets lost in the pages to threads like this.