Thread: The Dream Project

Well I WILDed last night again after a one hour WBTB. During that time I did some maths homework and meditated (or sat on my bed and centered my thoughts, not sure if that counts lol).
Anyway when I went back to bed, I layed on my side comfortably and saw some real, proper HI! I saw my dream journal and the pen I use, and I (Using Maloc's fast grab technique) grabbed the pen and really felt it in my hands, it was really vivid, more so than any vivid dream I had. I looked at the writing and saw it was typed, and none of the words made sense, plus they changed before my eyes. Throughout I knew this was a dream, as I never really transitioned, it was just me on my bed and then I see this. I lost it after about 20 seconds, then later on I tried again and was in a room with furniture. I touched a chair, cupboard and my arms and really felt it, but I couldn't see very clearly, it felt like I had tunnel vision and was zoomed in. Then again I lost it and was brought back to my body in my bed after 20 seconds.

This is still a big step for me as I'm sure now I'm going in the right direction. So if I manage to get lucid by this, would I be able to have more of them more easily, and then eventually not have to do WBTB's anymore? I don't feel tired in the morning, but sitting on my bed for an hour in the cold and darkness sucks.

Originally Posted by Avalanche

Well I WILDed last night again after a one hour WBTB. During that time I did some maths homework and meditated (or sat on my bed and centered my thoughts, not sure if that counts lol).
Anyway when I went back to bed, I layed on my side comfortably and saw some real, proper HI! I saw my dream journal and the pen I use, and I (Using Maloc's fast grab technique) grabbed the pen and really felt it in my hands, it was really vivid, more so than any vivid dream I had. I looked at the writing and saw it was typed, and none of the words made sense, plus they changed before my eyes. Throughout I knew this was a dream, as I never really transitioned, it was just me on my bed and then I see this. I lost it after about 20 seconds, then later on I tried again and was in a room with furniture. I touched a chair, cupboard and my arms and really felt it, but I couldn't see very clearly, it felt like I had tunnel vision and was zoomed in. Then again I lost it and was brought back to my body in my bed after 20 seconds.

This is still a big step for me as I'm sure now I'm going in the right direction. So if I manage to get lucid by this, would I be able to have more of them more easily, and then eventually not have to do WBTB's anymore? I don't feel tired in the morning, but sitting on my bed for an hour in the cold and darkness sucks.

Cool And I see that you have changed your username
Good attempt, but to answer your question, you can WILD and dream whenever you want if you can change into a subconscious focus in a blink, but if you want those vivid and real adventures you have to be in REM. So I would still recommend you to do WBTBs.

But if you meant "that you don't have to stay up" my answer is no, you don't, I never do that, I just notice that I have woke up and fall asleep. So you can try to just stay up for some seconds and then try to WILD.

I will still keep up with my WBTB, and I suppose once I have the WILD thing down, I will try to decrease the amount of time I have to stay awake for, as it is a drag and annoyance, even if it contributes greatly.
Theoretically, if I WILD often enough at the same time each night, I will remember to WILD while asleep, and slip into a lucid dream then and there.

But that is a long way off, now I'm just focusing on a repeat of last night. Put the WBTB effort in and results are sure to come.

Haha my whole family have been lucid dreaming now.
My mom described an experience and asked me if that was what I am doing, this is what she said:

"I had a dream about a long room with windows on all the sides and it looked like some kind of museum. I started to walk, but then my alarmclock woke me up.
I pressed the snooze button, and then I tried to go to sleep again and then I was back in the same dream and I thought "Why do I allways dream about this room? Oh I am dreaming!"
Then green glasmen started to throw glasbottles at me so it was a very unpleasant dream, but I was aware. Then I woke up from the alarm again."

I asked her about the clarity and vividness of the dream:

- "Did it felt real?"
- "No it felt weird and surreal"
- "I mean did the sensations feel like reality?"
- "Oh, yeah I would say so"

Wohoo! Now she believes in lucid dreaming too

I told 3 of my friends about lucid dreaming. I basically pitched it to them, as an idea, a dream world in which you can do anything you want, etc etc.
One just listened and then basically went whatever.
Another did the same thing, as he was there too, but later on I talked to him about it again and he has gotten into it, at least I think so, he doesn't say much about his efforts.
And the third I told started up a dream journal with at least a weeks worth of about 2 dreams, but then he had to move to college and so hasn't been able to keep up with it, unsure of how he is doing.

Why people just shrug this off as "Hurr durr, dreams are kinda gay, this sounds like bullshit, too much effort for something stupid", while us lucid dreamers actually saw the potential straight away and try endlessly to get there?

My mind cannot fathom why they wouldn't at least look it up.

But I digress. I'm off to watch Inception now that I borrowed off my buddy. See you in 2 hours 20 mins!

Originally Posted by Avalanche

I told 3 of my friends about lucid dreaming. I basically pitched it to them, as an idea, a dream world in which you can do anything you want, etc etc.
One just listened and then basically went whatever.
Another did the same thing, as he was there too, but later on I talked to him about it again and he has gotten into it, at least I think so, he doesn't say much about his efforts.
And the third I told started up a dream journal with at least a weeks worth of about 2 dreams, but then he had to move to college and so hasn't been able to keep up with it, unsure of how he is doing.

Why people just shrug this off as "Hurr durr, dreams are kinda gay, this sounds like bullshit, too much effort for something stupid", while us lucid dreamers actually saw the potential straight away and try endlessly to get there?

My mind cannot fathom why they wouldn't at least look it up.

But I digress. I'm off to watch Inception now that I borrowed off my buddy. See you in 2 hours 20 mins!

They don't believe it because it sounds like science fiction to them when you just say "be aware of a dream".
Instead tell them that a dream is just a thought, but when we are in REM our thoughts (subconscious thoughts) get's vivid and that is why a dream can feel like a real experience.
I told my friend about recall

"At first you will not remember a single thing, and you may say that you are not dreaming, but you are dreaming every night, you just don't remember it.
When you pracctise your recall, you will soon realise that your dreams feels like real experiences, it feels exactly like you are feeling now, but the difference is that you may start to se something weird and ask, Hey what the hell happend, and then you will realise that you are dreaming."

Or just tell them to watch The Matrix

They already watched the Matrix and Inception (brilliant film btw) and still don't care. You would think they would at least look it up. Maybe I should give them another shot, I mean jesus christ, who the hell turns down a free world full of endless possibilities that you can eventually visit everynight for what may seem like hours and still wake up like you slept through the night?

Originally Posted by Avalanche

They already watched the Matrix and Inception (brilliant film btw) and still don't care. You would think they would at least look it up. Maybe I should give them another shot, I mean jesus christ, who the hell turns down a free world full of endless possibilities that you can eventually visit everynight for what may seem like hours and still wake up like you slept through the night?

Some people are just not ready for other worldly experiences. And some just don't dare to question their reality.

Well last night I tried the WBTB again and the technique... but it didn't work. I just sat on my bed for an hour and tried to clear my thoughts, but it was very hard. Then when I went to bed my mind was just filled with random crap that I didn't think I would be able to do it. So I had a little daydream thing like before but it just ended before I could do anything. Then I feel asleep and had some dreams.

I forgot to go over the technique again before bed so I wasn't very confident in being able to repeat the double nearly success from 2 nights ago. But today I got a lot of homework, I'm going to do most of it now and leave the rest for my WBTB. I really think occupying my mind with maths problems really woke me up more than just sitting and thinking.

I just want to say to all people in this project that Dream Journal isn't neccessary, the important thing is to learn how the different states feels like when you are awake or dream. But a Dream Journal is a good way to learn that.
So do what ever technique you want MILD, DILD, WILD, DEILD etc. But on every morning try to remember your dreams, don't focus on the details of what you saw or so on (you can do that if you want) but instead stand up close your eyes and try to imagine that you are dreaming the same dream again and really try to feel the same sensations as you did when you dreamt it.

I think this exercise will help you become more aware of your dreams and the "feeling" of dreaming.

last week I havent been thinking about awareness and lucid dreaming (too busy, not enough sleep) and I got a lucid
I have had this before, that I stopped trying to LD and then succeeded. maybe it is a sign that when I'm trying, I'm trying too hard.
I will be picking up awareness and DILD/MILD again, but this time not eagerly stressing for LD's, but with a more relaxed knowledge that they will come.

about the difference between reality and the dream world... I am still thinking about it and trying to put in the words. I also want to verify a few ideas in a next lucid dream and then I will write down my experiences and thoughts about this topic.