Thread: Questions from a beginner

In my opinion the most important thing in order to make me continue to lucid dream frequentley and effortlessely is to have fun.

And also learn from your "faiures", if you don't have a lucid dream one night, don't scream in pain, instead learn and gain.

So choose a method that you think is fun and that motivates and inspires you, and pur primary focus on the method itself and not lucidity.

An interesting idea that I read in some philosophy book, is that happiness (in this case lucidity) doesn't come as often when you focus on it directly, it actually comes more often when it's an result of the focus of something else.

In this case it the enjoyment of the practise as a whole which then will bring you lucidity.

Although for me it is important to understand as well, so if you feel the same way I suggest that you try to find an explanation to why the induction you choose to use will be effective. In this example with happiness I can try to give a short explanation.

When you aim for lucidity and not get it you will get discouraged which will lead to -> anger -> hate -> suffering (suffering of not having lucid dreams).
Because you will be stressed out and then your dreams will be stresseful and chaotic and harder to become aware of and remember.

So you enter an evil circle... Instead appreciate the method in itself and do it because it is fun, and if you don't get lucid you don't get as discouraged by that and you should at the same time just learn from it and ponder not why the method didn't worked, but rather what stopped the method from working.
Like a late bedtime or a stressful mind as you went asleep, and then have a starting point and work from here.

By doing this you will fall asleep calm and peacefully which will give you calm and peaceful dreams which is easier to become aware of and remember and you have fun at the same time. And we can both agree with that it will be fun to learn from your successes as well.

And one thing to add about DILD.

DILD is just a description of an lucid dream induction (It simply means that you become aware in a dream after sleeping unaware), the method in itself can be many things like reality checks, intention and affirmations, and so on. So to say that a DILD is a waste of time, is like saying that becoming aware of a dream after sleeping is a waste of time, although I guess he means that DILD methods are a waste of time and that you should focus on WILD methods which is the second and only other alternative (entering a dream consciously without losing awareness in between.)

And I can agree to some extent that DILD methods can feel frustating and like a waste of time, atleast it is very hard to imagine that it can be done frequentley, however there are ways to make DILDs feel just as real as physical reality with the same "amount" of awareness. Which I currently is experimenting with: http://www.dreamviews.com/f20/tried-...5/#post1978197

But to conclude, I hope that you'll find your peaceful way of lucid dreaming. If you need help make sure to listen to experienced people, however your true knowledge can only be found by your own experiences.

Sweet dreams

Originally Posted by MasterMind

although I guess he means that DILD methods are a waste of time and that you should focus on WILD methods which is the second and only other alternative (entering a dream consciously without losing awareness in between.)

I suppose. When I say DILD I really mean the DILD techniques, not the act itself. I've actually had a few DILDs in my life (by that I mean, I was non-lucid and then I became lucid), but they happened totally at random without me doing any "technique" to spawn them. On the other hand, I've had many WILD lucids and each and every one was done on purpose. I said, "ok I will WILD now", and then I did it. Sometimes I would fail at WILD, but I would always know exactly why I failed because I was conscious during the whole event (by definition). Compare that to DILD techniques, where you never really know when or how you failed.

The difference between WILD and DILD techniques is the difference between developing an actual skill versus trusting random chance with no real hope of ever improving.

Originally Posted by MasterMind

In my opinion the most important thing in order to make me continue to lucid dream frequentley and effortlessely is to have fun.

And also learn from your "faiures", if you don't have a lucid dream one night, don't scream in pain, instead learn and gain.

So choose a method that you think is fun and that motivates and inspires you, and pur primary focus on the method itself and not lucidity.

An interesting idea that I read in some philosophy book, is that happiness (in this case lucidity) doesn't come as often when you focus on it directly, it actually comes more often when it's an result of the focus of something else.

In this case it the enjoyment of the practise as a whole which then will bring you lucidity.

Although for me it is important to understand as well, so if you feel the same way I suggest that you try to find an explanation to why the induction you choose to use will be effective. In this example with happiness I can try to give a short explanation.

When you aim for lucidity and not get it you will get discouraged which will lead to -> anger -> hate -> suffering (suffering of not having lucid dreams).
Because you will be stressed out and then your dreams will be stresseful and chaotic and harder to become aware of and remember.

So you enter an evil circle... Instead appreciate the method in itself and do it because it is fun, and if you don't get lucid you don't get as discouraged by that and you should at the same time just learn from it and ponder not why the method didn't worked, but rather what stopped the method from working.
Like a late bedtime or a stressful mind as you went asleep, and then have a starting point and work from here.

By doing this you will fall asleep calm and peacefully which will give you calm and peaceful dreams which is easier to become aware of and remember and you have fun at the same time. And we can both agree with that it will be fun to learn from your successes as well.

And one thing to add about DILD.

DILD is just a description of an lucid dream induction (It simply means that you become aware in a dream after sleeping unaware), the method in itself can be many things like reality checks, intention and affirmations, and so on. So to say that a DILD is a waste of time, is like saying that becoming aware of a dream after sleeping is a waste of time, although I guess he means that DILD methods are a waste of time and that you should focus on WILD methods which is the second and only other alternative (entering a dream consciously without losing awareness in between.)

And I can agree to some extent that DILD methods can feel frustating and like a waste of time, atleast it is very hard to imagine that it can be done frequentley, however there are ways to make DILDs feel just as real as physical reality with the same "amount" of awareness. Which I currently is experimenting with:

But to conclude, I hope that you'll find your peaceful way of lucid dreaming. If you need help make sure to listen to experienced people, however your true knowledge can only be found by your own experiences.

Sweet dreams

Thanks for the info, but with all that in mind, what would you say a beginner should try to do first? Try to get a DILD by chance, or start trying WILDs?

The easiest method would be the one that you discover is easiest for you. We are all different. However, I would always recommend a WILD attempt the first time and stress the visualization of the your most recent dream. Good luck!