Short LD with Stabalizing

[ezzolucid]

Hi all, had a DILD this morning after about 5 hours sleep, it started off in my bedroom, i sat up and started to rub hands, i then examined hands and shouted 'clarity' but i then simply gained wakefulness back and was back in my bed for real. Just wondering if theres anything I could have done to prolong this DILD as it was only about 10 seconds as i tried stabilizing but I still woke up Thanks guys Ezzo

[Redrivertears]

Hey there, I believe dreams become deeper, more vivid, and longer, the more attention we give them. With that in mind, when you find yourself at a start of a lucid dream, focus on the dream sensations. Rub your hands to feel the sensation of your skin touching your skin. Touch other things, listen to sounds, look around and focus on what you see. The more attention you give to the dream, the more grounded the dream becomes. The more attention you give to abstract thoughts (like 'how do I stop the dream from ending' or things like 'clarity'), the more you're actually shifting your attention away from the dream itself. That, especially in the early stages of a lucid dream when the dream itself isn't grounded yet, can cause the one thing you're actively trying to prevent, namely end the dream prematurely. Hope that helps, -Redrivertears-

[ezzolucid]

Thanks redriver tears, that makes sense. Im thinking of mastering DEILDS so that I can simply re-enter when this happens, does this sound like a good plan?

[TDHXIII]

Hey there, I believe dreams become deeper, more vivid, and longer, the more attention we give them. With that in mind, when you find yourself at a start of a lucid dream, focus on the dream sensations. Rub your hands to feel the sensation of your skin touching your skin. Touch other things, listen to sounds, look around and focus on what you see. The more attention you give to the dream, the more grounded the dream becomes. The more attention you give to abstract thoughts (like 'how do I stop the dream from ending' or things like 'clarity'), the more you're actually shifting your attention away from the dream itself. That, especially in the early stages of a lucid dream when the dream itself isn't grounded yet, can cause the one thing you're actively trying to prevent, namely end the dream prematurely. Hope that helps, -Redrivertears- Thanks for this. You just saved me from a lot of hard work and wasted LDs.

[Redrivertears]

Hey there, Sounds like a plan indeed. DEILD actually works by the exact same principle, except that it takes it one step further (namely doing it when you're already awake). Do note though that I believe some people will have an easier time with DEILD then others, depending on how fast their physiology goes from sleeping to waking (you know, people that seem to take ages to get awake compared to some that open their eyes and seem ready to jump out of bed). -Redrivertears-

[ezzolucid]

Thanks redrivertears, im going to exclusively use just WILD and DEILD as my induction methods from now on. I think DEILD is really the most important one to master as it eradicates the problem of short lucid dreams as we can simply hop into the next one. Ive had about 10 lucid dreams that ive felt fade away and then just fell asleep because i didnt know about DEILD. I also have read Michael Ragugas book 'The phase' where he teaches DEILDs from normal and non dreams using what he calls 'indirect methods' Apparently DEILDs are the easiest way to enter a dream lucidly. Do you have any tips for successfully executing a DEILD? Many thanks Ezzo

[Goldenspark]

Thanks redrivertears, im going to exclusively use just WILD and DEILD as my induction methods from now on. Ezzo Hey Ezzolucid, I've sort of taken that same approach, because DILD just didn't seem to be working reliably for me. BUT, as Redrivertears said, I think I am one of those types that wakes up fast and gets to sleep fast as well, and I've been finding both really difficult to do. For DEILD I find it really hard to stay absolutely still, and I tend to stretch my muscles on waking, so that before I have realised I'm doing it, I'm too awake. With WILD, it feels like I should be doing it on my back, but then I can't seem to get to sleep at all, so when I roll onto my side I fall asleep too quickly and can't seem to catch the transition! The other issue I have ith DEILD is that I think I am waking at the end of a sleep cycle, as the REM period ends, which means the opportunity to get back into REM is lost anyway. Problem is that could be bad schema - i.e. if I think that is the case it will be true! My latest plan of attack is to re-double my efforts at DEILD, and stay still. WBTB / WILD and DILD seems to work OK with supplements, where the conscious mind is more awake at the outset, but I prefer to go au naturel.

[Redrivertears]

For DEILD I find it really hard to stay absolutely still, and I tend to stretch my muscles on waking, so that before I have realised I'm doing it, I'm too awake. With WILD, it feels like I should be doing it on my back, but then I can't seem to get to sleep at all, so when I roll onto my side I fall asleep too quickly and can't seem to catch the transition! I have the exact same problem, including the WILD on your back/side thing you mention. I've had WILDS and some DEILDS, but nothing I can reliably reproduce each night. Practice helps, but its slow going. I don't mind though, as working various WILD and DEILD practice routines into my sleep pattern is actually a very reliable method of inducing DILDs for me. As for DEILDS, ironically the one time I can keep still after awakening is during naps, but my dream recall with naps is practically nihil (I have a feeling I don't enter REM sleep during naps, and non-REM dreams are hard to remember). So I'm currently working on trying to improve nap-recall first. Maybe its just because I've only recently picked up the habit of taking naps on my days off. -Redrivertears-

[Redrivertears]

Heya, Afraid not, I'm not an expert on DEILDs. There are people on these forums much better suited to give you advice on that topic. Its a very fascinating technique, but I tend to awaken too fast and move to easily to make it work for me with any sort of regularity. Guess I have to condition my body more to get it to work more often. On the plus side, like with most techniques, even an unsuccessful attempt does seem to increase the chances of a DILD later -Redrivertears-