Thread: Inducing Trance To Wild - Part 2

Originally Posted by dsr

Thanks. I just tried to ingrain the image of a pen in my memory, and I was successful. Although, I can't see it vividly, I can picture all the details (with my eyes open or closed). I'll be sure to practice with other objects and with other senses. Sythix, you have some great tips in this thread.
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Glad to hear that dsr, and thanks.

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Hello everyone, I updated the first post at last today and finally finished the thread. I hope you all have enjoyed it and please if you have any questions/comments or whatever let me know.

Wow... amazing posts Sythix, Im printing the entire thing out tomorow now that its finished .

A while back i spent time developing my visualization skills too, got to a point where i was getting exactly what you mentioned while fully concious: "flashes of a crystal clear, breathtakingly vivid imagery for a split second", usually in the form of a tropical island which i was aiming for (never exactly as i was trying to imagine it though).
Im wondering what stage you are at? can you hold those vivid images while conciously visualizing? can you move around them? how long does it take you to get them etc, a full description of your capabilities would be really useful for motivational purposes .

Thanks for taking the time to share the tutorials, ill begin them tomorow.

Roo

ok, i have the method i want to use, but there is still one problem. i can create the dreamscenes but i can not enter them. i think i cannot enter them, because my eyes are STILL OPEN. if i close my eyes, i can get the scene back almost immediately, but then i can't fall asleep.

i can't explain it. you would have to experience it yourself, it is FREAKY. i can see the scene, and it looks almost real. the scene will have color and everything, and i can control it. the only thing is, I AM STILL AWAKE.

there is another weird thing i seem to be able to do. i can take a scene i create, and MORPH IT into a totaly different scene. i can also take a scene i make, and ADD TO the scene if i wish. i made a scene one time, and i added an ENTIRE room to the scene. without even meaning to, i even added an object to the scene.

i wonder if i could add myself to the scene? the only problem is, i am not sure what i look like in my dreams. when i dream, i seem to always be in a first person style view. the only problem i have is getting to a state where i am dreaming. if i could get there, i could enter my created scene i am sure, and almost instantly be lucid.

Hi my name is Kiko and I became interested in this forum after experiencing sleep paralysis. I didnt know about it at the time and was completely freaked out one night upon trying to fall back asleep because I felt a great vibration heat and couldnt move and had an OPENED EYE hallucination where I levitated in the air and flipped over and I was going for another flip but one of my hands got loose and I started slapping myself to get out of the paralysis. I washed my face in water and could no sleep supine because I felt the energy coming again and I had to stay vigilant all night ready to slap myself if I felt that again. This was about 2 and a half years agoand I told some friends but since it was so out of the ordinary I stopped talking bout it. It happened to me again about once every 4 to 5 months while waking up in the middle of the night and I was always terrified because I felt I was being possessed or something so I always fought it and developed the ability to stop it easily when it started happening. Once I had an auditory hallucination with a strange robotic harmonic like voice (like Jack in Donnie darko) but I fought it off before it could finish the first word. I posted a message on another forum and they told me about sleep paralysis and directed me to a wiki page that had links to lucid dreaming. And here I am! Im pissed that I didnt know how to control all those wasted occassions but I was always panicked because it actually felt like a presence was coming into me and I never heard about sleep paralysis so I fought it. It happened once again since learning about sleep paralysis but I freaked out again. My sleep paralysis is so strong I feel sucked back and I really need to flex and strain to gain control. I tried the reverse blinking last night but I have a wife in my bed and her moving around and my barking dog keep breaking my concentration so no WILDing. But last night I woke up several times and remembered an incredible amount of vivid dreams! But as far as I can remember ive never had LDs. I have good visualisation and last night I remembered a dream from way back when and I can explore that dreamworld in my head right now thats how vivid it is. But ive had no lick self inducing sleep paralysis. I WILL start doing the visualisation techniques during the day as I find it very relaxing and will continue to explore dreamworlds in my mind (there not that big). Hopefully I will find some time to lock myself in the bathroom in the darkness to try the other techniques listed. I did that once a while ago and found it scary because my worst fears seemed to come out (being at the bottom of the black ocean facing a silent enourmous white shark) and I felt a strange warmth in my body. Anyway just saying hi. Anyone in the NYC area?

I have a few questions. Sorry if they've been asked before.

First, when you're looking at the image, are you supposed to see the colours at first? If not, when do you think an average person would start seeing colours?

Secondly, when you're trying to visualize the apple, is it best to do it with your eyes closed or open? And when you visualize the apple, once again, am I supposed to see it vividly, as if it were waking life at first, or is it supposed to be shadowy, possibly blurry?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by blackberry829

I have a few questions. Sorry if they've been asked before.

First, when you're looking at the image, are you supposed to see the colours at first? If not, when do you think an average person would start seeing colours?

Secondly, when you're trying to visualize the apple, is it best to do it with your eyes closed or open? And when you visualize the apple, once again, am I supposed to see it vividly, as if it were waking life at first, or is it supposed to be shadowy, possibly blurry?

Thanks.

You don't have to necessarily see the colors at first, you do have to see an image though.

It's best to do it with eyes closed in my opinion, that way its easier to focus on the world of inner imagery and take away the attention of visual stimuli with the eyes. With this exercise you should try to visualize it as vividly as you can in your minds eye, you do not have to see it as if it were a hallucinatory-real life image, by following the rest of the techniques one could develop that type of ability where you ACTUALLY see what you visualize in your immediate consciousness.

Minds eye? That's something that's always confused me.

When you close your eyes, do you see the image like...up in your head sort of? Or do you see them before your eyes?

Oh it should'nt be confusing......just think of it this way: You see with your physical eyes your immediate physical environment, and then when you think and visualize/daydream/whatever something you see it within your own mind, with your minds eye.

We have to remember these images start to generate within the mind, they may appear as if you're seeing them with your own physical eyes but you're really not - they are hallucinatory. Very vivid daydreams. If I want to I could visualize an orange in front of me and I'll see it there....

I am sorta getting something. I haven't practiced with the circle recently, however I can vaguely make the after-image of it appear in front of my eyes when they are closed. Also, I can create white blurry lines in any direction, and foggy general shapes. For some reason, though, it's all like an after-image: it's not clear and colours are usually inversed.

Anyway, I still haven't had a LD yet

Originally Posted by Metroid48

I am sorta getting something. I haven't practiced with the circle recently, however I can vaguely make the after-image of it appear in front of my eyes when they are closed. Also, I can create white blurry lines in any direction, and foggy general shapes. For some reason, though, it's all like an after-image: it's not clear and colours are usually inversed.

Anyway, I still haven't had a LD yet
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Sounds like you're making very good progress if you can willingly make the after-image appear before your eyes without looking at the image anymore. I strongly suggest doing this before sleeping (along with reverse blinking to enter trance state) as both these techniques can enhance the vividness of your dreams thus increasing the chances of lucidity.....and making non-lucid dreams more pleasant and memorable . Plus its very good practice, especially if its a dark room, if not you can close your eyes and do it that way but expect to fall asleep so then you just do it in a different posture or sitting up, w/e floats your boat. (So yes, practicing isn't only useful to develop these abilities but also to induce lucid dreams&#33 Clarity of the visualizations will come, all it takes is more practice.

Originally Posted by RooJ

Wow... amazing posts Sythix, Im printing the entire thing out tomorow now that its finished .

A while back i spent time developing my visualization skills too, got to a point where i was getting exactly what you mentioned while fully concious: "flashes of a crystal clear, breathtakingly vivid imagery for a split second", usually in the form of a tropical island which i was aiming for (never exactly as i was trying to imagine it though).
Im wondering what stage you are at? can you hold those vivid images while conciously visualizing? can you move around them? how long does it take you to get them etc, a full description of your capabilities would be really useful for motivational purposes .

Thanks for taking the time to share the tutorials, ill begin them tomorow.

Roo
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For motivational purposes

. I have developed my ability to visualize so far that I can create a vivid image at will even with my eyes open and I'm able to see it as if seeing it with my physical eyes. For example I can imagine an apple in front of me right now and pick it up, feel it, and take a bite out of it and hear the sound of biting into it and taste it as well. Now if I have my eyes closed I can very well see an image after a few seconds of concentrating in the area in which visualizations occur - for example in Dream Yoga it is required for you to be able to visualize the Tibetan letter 'A' before your eyes - with practice the A becomes vivid, stable and clear. Well I can already do that willingly and keep consciousness on the letter 'A' as I drift to sleep and therefore trigger lucidity (in case of falling asleep instead of completing a WILD) due to my consciousness concentrated on the letter 'A'. Read up on dream yoga and you'll see what I mean. I can vividly perceive all other senses as well, move them at will, whatever I like. I can create an inner 'meditation' area in my visualizations - though this isn't no where near close to a Lucid Dream but very very entertaining. I can induce HI in a few seconds due to an NLP anchor I put on the HI state, and many other things. I hope this motivates you all to developing these great abilities because they are really useful in achieving lucidity and many other things.

Originally Posted by RooJ

Hi my name is Kiko and I became interested in this forum after experiencing sleep paralysis..
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Hi Kiko,

Sounds like you experienced a common episode of suddenly waking up in sleep paralysis and experiencing hypnagogia. I've had this many times before and yes they can be controlled if you develop your visualization abilities. For example in times where you're scared you may visualize a white and comforting light or something that reminds you of being safe. I have a meditation specifically tailored to induce the feeling of being safe and/or paranoid according to the person's amygdala, you may experience either or. It's called Sensed Presence meditation and basically it comes from the 'sensed presence' feeling that there is some one or some living thing close to you, but when you turn to look, you don't find anybody there.

This experience only occurs when a person is in an altered state of consciousness. To facilitate the state, it begins with paying attention to the breath. After you have your attention drawn there, you now imagine that you are experiencing a presence, and that the feeling is emanating from a point behind you, and to your left. The sensed presence is an amygdaloid experience. This only means that when a person is having this experience, their amygdalae will be found to be either the most active structure in their brain, or one of the most active. The most common sensation it created was a feeling of being safe and protected. You're also likely to suddenly imagine the presences - such as a guardian angel, or your parents, etc. I've also noticed that Reverse Blinking has led to vivid dreams...not just in me but others as well, this is very interesting. Good luck in developing your abilities and let us know how it's going!

BTW, the bathroom is a perfect dark place to exercise visualization - I've practiced in there too! Haha

Originally Posted by RooJ

ok, i have the method i want to use, but there is still one problem. i can create the dreamscenes but i can not enter them. i think i cannot enter them, because my eyes are STILL OPEN. if i close my eyes, i can get the scene back almost immediately, but then i can't fall asleep.

i can't explain it. you would have to experience it yourself, it is FREAKY. i can see the scene, and it looks almost real. the scene will have color and everything, and i can control it. the only thing is, I AM STILL AWAKE.

there is another weird thing i seem to be able to do. i can take a scene i create, and MORPH IT into a totaly different scene. i can also take a scene i make, and ADD TO the scene if i wish. i made a scene one time, and i added an ENTIRE room to the scene. without even meaning to, i even added an object to the scene.

i wonder if i could add myself to the scene? the only problem is, i am not sure what i look like in my dreams. when i dream, i seem to always be in a first person style view. the only problem i have is getting to a state where i am dreaming. if i could get there, i could enter my created scene i am sure, and almost instantly be lucid.
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I know what you mean, but I think the problem is you're not tired enough to fall asleep. I think you should try doing a WBTB (without getting out of bed) and try to visualize and enter a visualized scene as you drift off back into sleep - you'll have much better chances that way. Try not to see yourself in the 3rd person perspective unless you want a really strange videogame type of dream, instead try to interact with your visualization and 'feel' it so to speak. Reach your hand out into it and eventually you'll find yourself in a dream.

Wow!
That will help a bunch!
Thank you so much!


*clap*

Last night I did some reverse blinking for a few minutes than decided to stop. i watched tv for a second than decided to do the apple visualization. after no more than 30 seconds i started to get hypnagogic imagery. i opened my eyes quick because i couldn't believe how quick it came. i got like the outline of time square in ny and a picture of my thumb. it's like the visualization just broke through right in front of me. i practiced the apple visualization 10 times the day before so that is probably why this came so easy to me.

Sometimes I will daydream and the sensations are VERY vivid. They just kind of "overlap" over my normal vison, although thats not realy the right word for it. I only relize this is happening after it ends though, and never thought anything of it until reading this. Im going to try it tonight in the dark and see what will happen . Thanks for posting this as it is very in depth.


Also another fun visulization technique is to use someting like a desk, and visulize a miniature battle over it. Have the people use erasors and stuff for cover. Sometimes it gets relly epic .

Originally Posted by Adanac

Also another fun visulization technique is to use someting like a desk, and visulize a miniature battle over it. Have the people use erasors and stuff for cover. Sometimes it gets relly epic .
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That sounds cool... Do you play CS?

Now this is what I like to see... Gonna go and try it right now I'm so excited about it! I love the lucidity of your expressions/sentences-- it's very easy to read and remember.

Thank you, for sure!

i read your guide and it fascinates me, but after weeks of practise i still cant bring vivid imagery into my vision. The best i can make is a blueish silhouette of the image i want, but i cant make it any clearer than that. Do i just need more practise? if so, how should i go about this?

Great post!

Just a few questions:

1. Syntix, how long do you need you practice the "apple visualizing method" to get good results?

2. After you have become proficient do you have to keep practicing or will your skills be pretty much nailed ?

ThaNk You!

Originally Posted by BohmaN

Great post!

Just a few questions:

1. Syntix, how long do you need you practice the "apple visualizing method" to get good results?

2. After you have become proficient do you have to keep practicing or will your skills be pretty much nailed ?

ThaNk You!
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Hey BohmaN,

1. As long as you need to basically. The decision of practicing is all up to you on that exercise. When you feel ready and confident that you can vividly visualize all 5 senses within and HOLD these senses for about 5 minutes or longer then you may be ready. This all depends on you.

2. Pretty much nailed, you'll always have the ability to visualize 100% if you continue your efforts. Though once you reach the goal, you'll find yourself wanting to visualize actually.... so don't worry about 'losing it'

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I'm assuming you mean counter-strike, and no. It's easier to concentrate on the sounds if I keep the visuals simple for me, so my army guys are more like green plastic army men.

I can vividly perceive all other senses as well, move them at will, whatever I like. [/b]

Dude, you are my hero. Lol

Bump. I have added a new technique into the hallucinations section called - Focusing on Contrasts Technique. Check it out

1. As long as you need to basically. The decision of practicing is all up to you on that exercise. When you feel ready and confident that you can vividly visualize all 5 senses within and HOLD these senses for about 5 minutes or longer then you may be ready. This all depends on you.[/b]

whaoo That's a very long time. Now I can hold my imagery apple with my 5 senses involved for about, hmm about 10 seconds or so =P

How about you? Are you a "visualization-god"?

Sounds cool to be good at visualizing. Are there any more advantages of being good at visualizing (lucid dreaming excluded)?

Bumping this too of course.