Thread: Inducing Trance To Wild - Part 2

I ended up doing this (visualisations) between waking up during the night: It was so real and vivid- I was literally staring at my imagination! I think it's because I was doing reverse blinking aswell - perfect for making me slip off to sleep!

WOW that's a long guide; I'll give it a try. Like Lordamar, I've always had vivid visualization; I even used to do the same thing with movies! I watched the princess bride when I was about ten, maybe, and I couldn't sleep because I kept on visualizing one of those giant rat things under my bed. Now, to realize just how ludicrous this is, my bed is AT LEAST four feet off the ground, and I used a night light... (mainly because of things like this&#33 but anyways. thanks, sythix.

I don't quite understand... so you need to be able to think of full 3D objects. correct? But does it have to be like that border between thinking it and actually seeing it in the darkness with your eyes closes? do you know what I mean?

Originally Posted by Josh_Mac

I don't quite understand... so you need to be able to think of full 3D objects. correct? But does it have to be like that border between thinking it and actually seeing it in the darkness with your eyes closes? do you know what I mean?
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No, these 3d objects come later... I don't understand your question too well?

Originally Posted by Josh_Mac

hey! i get it now! i didnt get that much either but now i know what you're talking about. im doing alright so far i guess. i can see faint objects, and they can move, but they are still quite random.
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Great to hear that freefire! You're doing great.

Amazing post. Absolutely well laid out, informative, and EXTREMELY useful. I will be studying this inside and out.

Sythix, when I was working on the "Develop Vivid Imagery" task, with the last of the extra pictures, the after-image that I see when I close my eyes is far smaller than that of the picture.

As a result the image is unfocused. Is there any technique to enlarge an after-image?

Hey Nazcan,

All I can tell ya is to keep practicing with the images, make sure you have a proper and comfortable distance between your eyes and the image. Also a little tip to help you see the whole after-image is to squeeze your eyelids a little tighter and act as if you're blinking with your eyelids closed. You'll see what I mean when you try it, also if you have a white wall nearby with the after-image in vision start blinking as you look at the white wall and you'll see it.

Hey Sythix,

In the beginning of this thread, you listed several tips and one of them is confusing to me.

"Don't see with your physical eyes, see with your minds eye. Pinpoint the area in your consciousnesswhere this image is projected. It is different than where your eyes project their image. Keep your attention in this area and you might find yourself seeing the images vividly!"

Could you elaborate please?

Thanks

If you are falling asleep how can one induce imagery when one's eyes are closed

first person to put me up on dream yoga. ..uppin' this for those that might find these methods useful.

This guide is wonderful. I am good at visualizing, but this will make me even better. Epic post! This should be in the tutorial section if it isn't already!

Originally Posted by Harrycombs

This guide is wonderful. I am good at visualizing, but this will make me even better. Epic post! This should be in the tutorial section if it isn't already!

Sythix tried, its not in the correct format, sadly.

This actually sounds interesting.

Thank you for posting.

I'll give it a more thorough once over once I'm settled tonight.

wow I really wish I had seen this thread before, there really is some good stuff in that first post.

When you visualize something, it's not directly in front of your eyes is it? It's somewhere else in your mind, and usually if you play around with it trying to find where in your mind this visualization is taking place, its usually at the back of your head where the visual cortex is. The visual cortex is the part of your brain which interprets what your physical eyes see. Anyways if you bring your awareness to this area you'll be able to catch vivid images of whatever you're visualizing just like after images. These get stronger and more stable the more you keep your awareness there and finally begin to move the visualization forward to in front of you were it'll be most stable[/b]

hey! i get it now! i didnt get that much either but now i know what you're talking about. im doing alright so far i guess. i can see faint objects, and they can move, but they are still quite random.

Ah, sorry about that... it was a really badly worded question anyway. It's irrelevant now because I've fully grasped what HI is. I can Wild, but I have more Audible stimulus then visual and then I'm suddenly plonked in front of a detailed image.

Okay, I did the visualising for 30 minutes before bed. And I had my mp3-player with some relaxing ambient music. I started visualising, And tried moving in infront of my eyes. I ´don´t think i succeded. But I got alot of HI after a while, It was awesome!

And this morning I had a extrmely good memory from a dream after 3 hours of sleep. And that has never ever happened before.

Originally Posted by Gabriel

Okay, I did the visualising for 30 minutes before bed. And I had my mp3-player with some relaxing ambient music. I started visualising, And tried moving in infront of my eyes. I ´don´t think i succeded. But I got alot of HI after a while, It was awesome!

And this morning I had a extrmely good memory from a dream after 3 hours of sleep. And that has never ever happened before.
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Nice!

You will notice that after practicing at night vivid imagery, you will increase the vividness of dream recall in the morning as well as increase vividness of dreams during the night. In my case, enough vividness actually triggers lucidity.

i just thought of somthing since i can create hi almost at will, what if i created some hi and tried touching it? say i create a 3d scene, if i were to reach out and touch it, would i be pulled into the dream/created scene? i have an idea i will try and see if it works.

if i was actually in a dream, would i see the dreamscape/world instead of whereever my body actually was. for example, i go to sleep in my bed in my room, and have a dream. if i was dreaming, i would see whatever i am dreaming, but not be able to see my boody/room any longer right?

i think i have been in my dreams before, just not lucid. also when i dream, i seem to ALWAYS be in first person, i can see anything BUT my dreambody. hmm come to think of it, i have never TRIED looking at my hands/ground ect. whenever i dream, it seems i am always looking forward for some weird reason.

i also figured out why i don't dream, it seems i can put myself into a deep sleep without even trying. THIS would explain why i don't dream. i was reading about brainwaves/states, and it seems there is DELTA sleep, and then another form of delta that is even deeper. in this state, it is impossible to dream, because your brainwaves are to low to create them.

it seems i am always in that state when i sleep, so i never dream. how can i go to sleep, but not get to that point? i COULD dream as a kid, and i could now if i could figure out how i got to the right state to dream..

i am getting closer, if i could get to the right state, i could succeed easily i am sure.

Originally Posted by Sythix

In my case, enough vividness actually triggers lucidity.
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Yeah, me too. I like that.

Originally Posted by Sythix

i just thought of somthing since i can create hi almost at will, what if i created some hi and tried touching it? say i create a 3d scene, if i were to reach out and touch it, would i be pulled into the dream/created scene?
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I'm not sure as I have never WILDed before, but I think you would imagine yourself reaching out to touch it. It might form to a dream then. You might wake yourself up a little more if you literally tried to reach out!

Originally Posted by Sythix

i also figured out why i don't dream, it seems i can put myself into a deep sleep without even trying. THIS would explain why i don't dream. i was reading about brainwaves/states, and it seems there is DELTA sleep, and then another form of delta that is even deeper. in this state, it is impossible to dream, because your brainwaves are to low to create them.
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If that is the case, try sleeping in a cooler room, or listening to different brainwaves. How did you figure out that you were a deep sleeper? You might just not recall dreams aswell as you used to.

Originally Posted by really

Yeah, me too. I like that.
I'm not sure as I have never WILDed before, but I think you would imagine yourself reaching out to touch it. It might form to a dream then. You might wake yourself up a little more if you literally tried to reach out!
If that is the case, try sleeping in a cooler room, or listening to different brainwaves. How did you figure out that you were a deep sleeper? You might just not recall dreams aswell as you used to.
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ok first, i can sleep though almost ANYTHING. i can go to bed watching tv, i wake up and its still on, but i didn't hear ANYTHING when i was sleeping. second, i wouldn't forget one of my dreams, they are almost ALWAYS weird/creepy/totally random.

Another great thread by Sythix. I used the reverse blinking techniques from the last thread and found them incredibly useful for inducing trance states and deep relaxation with a minimum of effort or concentration. I will be trying all of these techniques and reporting back on my progress. So far I have been using the image of the white and orange circles on the first page to develop vivid imagery. Staring at the picture for 30 seconds and then closing your eyes definitely leaves a lasting image. I will report back on progress for daytime and nighttime practice. Furthermore, i recommend that everyone checks out the thread on reverse blinking, and gives it a try.

Originally Posted by Sythix

Don't see with your physical eyes, see with your minds eye. Pinpoint the area in your consciousness where this image is projected. It is different than where your eyes project their image. Keep your attention in this area and you might find yourself seeing the images vividly!
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I am having great difficulty in visualizing the apple. I don't think practice will help if I'm not practicing correctly. Sythix, do you have any suggestions on how to pinpoint the mind's eye and use it? Is it the same location in which you picture the layout of rooms in your house or what others things that are ingrained in your memory look like? If so, I can't seem to use that spot in my mind to create images that are not in my memory. Do you have any suggestions?

Originally Posted by dsr

I am having great difficulty in visualizing the apple. I don't think practice will help if I'm not practicing correctly. Sythix, do you have any suggestions on how to pinpoint the mind's eye and use it? Is it the same location in which you picture the layout of rooms in your house or what others things that are ingrained in your memory look like? If so, I can't seem to use that spot in my mind to create images that are not in my memory. Do you have any suggestions?
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dsr,

It's the same location you picture things from your memory, if you can think about how a room in your house looks like then you can visualize. If you find it difficult conjuring a totally made up scene in your mind, then picture things you do know and remember. You can try this: Take any object you have lying around such as a pencil, a paper weight, anything small and easy to remember. Closely examine it and embed the image in your memory, then close your eyes and try to remember what it looks like. You can try this with other senses, like taste. Try to remember what you ate last and how it tasted. Think back to what water sounds like splashing. Think back to how it feels to brush a hand over your hair. Think back to what the sound of a bird sounds like. Everyone is able to do this, if you take some time to develop this further you'll reap great rewards with the power of visualization..


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BTW, everyone, I updated the first post with another neurological technique and will be updating tomorrow with the last of the HI techniques and explain how this all can be used in a method to induce Lucid Dreaming.

Thanks. I just tried to ingrain the image of a pen in my memory, and I was successful. Although, I can't see it vividly, I can picture all the details (with my eyes open or closed). I'll be sure to practice with other objects and with other senses. Sythix, you have some great tips in this thread.