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      Quote Originally Posted by IceMan View Post
      how fast are you supposed to do each repetition, I'm planning of doing this tonight
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      Hello IceMan. Do whatever feels right to you is the best answer I can give. For myself I am finding that the slower I do the eye movements, the more tired they make me, and the faster I fall asleep. So I've been going very slow, taking a full 2 or 3 seconds for each movement now. I have also started my routine out now by just laying down in bed with my eyes closed for a couple of minutes and feeling myself sinking into the bed before even starting the eye exercises, as when I do this I am falling asleep even faster, usually before even getting through the first exercise. Good luck to you, and if you find something that works for you, feel free to share it as I will try it myself also.

      Quote Originally Posted by IceMan View Post
      Well, I tried it for several nights now, with variations (eyes open/closed, immediately when going to bed / after 30 minutes, fast/slow...) and I had the same resulting than with reverse blinking... absolutely nothing

      I have always needed 1hour to 2h to fall asleep, I guess it won't change soon.
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      Sorry this hasn't worked for you MindDaguerreotype because I know how frustrating it can be to not be able to fall asleep. If you haven't checked out the first page lately you might review it again as I have added a couple of things that can be done while doing the exercises with the eyes closed, mainly visualizing the number you are on when counting the number, and then visualizing the word Deeper at the other end as this has helped me a few times when I didn't fall asleep right away. If you happen to find something that does work for you please share it even if you need to start a new post to do it, as I am sure there are many others like you that would benefit from it. You might also try experimenting with eating different types of foods before going to bed, as I used to just get up and have something like a cheese sandwich when I couldn't sleep, which often helped. Let us know if you find something that works for you. Thanks for your reply.

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      Quote Originally Posted by iadr View Post
      If you haven't checked out the first page lately you might review it again as I have added a couple of things that can be done while doing the exercises with the eyes closed, mainly visualizing the number you are on when counting the number, and then visualizing the word Deeper at the other end as this has helped me a few times when I didn't fall asleep right away.
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      Thank you, I will consider that. But I already tried (with no success) the "visualize numbers while counting" when reading the WILD tutorial, so I think it's not a method that would work for me.

      However I could maybe try the new "chakra" technique, as well as the 61-points relaxation technique for WILD, because I think that "counting" has the opposed effect on me than for other people here: it keeps me awake, because it keeps my mind busy !
      When I reached the point "399, I'm dreaming... 400, I'm dreaming... Oh, enough !" in my first WILD attempts, I knew that something was seriously wrong (Now I have "spontaneous" WILDs in the morning, the only time were I can fall asleep quickly)

      Maybe if I was listening to a recording instead of doing the counting myself, that could work...
      Dec. 2006 - July 2007:
      92 DILDs + 30 WILDs ; 75% too short, 24% decent, ~3 of 2 to 5 minutes
      (I stopped counting after that)

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      Quote Originally Posted by MindDaguerreotype View Post
      Thank you, I will consider that. But I already tried (with no success) the "visualize numbers while counting" when reading the WILD tutorial, so I think it's not a method that would work for me.
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      Thanks for your reply MindDaquerreotype. I have the very same problem with the counting methods combined with telling myself I am dreaming. They just keep me awake. But visualizing the word DEEPER, or the words DEEPER AND DEEPER seem to work really well for me. I've never been quite as persistent as you have though because I have always given up after reaching 100, so I admire your persistence. I'm also finding it helpful to just stop doing everything after a while to allow my mind to drift to sleep. And if nothing else works, I just get up and have a cheese sandwich or take a hot bath to put me to sleep. Fortunately though I have not had to do that lately.

      Quote Originally Posted by MindDaguerreotype View Post
      I tried it last night. I was real awake at the time, but my eyes hurt (I think some skin medication got in 'em) so it was bed time. The technique may have helped me get sleepier, or maybe I was more tired than I thought, 'cause I fell asleep in about 20 minutes, which is about average for me. BUT, I had My first LD last night! I'm gonna do some experimentation, maybe it was your technique (if so, thanks&#33, maybe it was luck...
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      Thanks for your reply Xnyper. In doing the exercises I am finding that they work best when done in a very slow sweeping type of motion, and the slower the better, as moving the eyes very slowly tends to slow down the rest of my body and makes it drowsy enough to falls asleep. CONGRATULATIONS !!! Glad to hear you had your first lucid dream. I'd guess it was probably luck, but who knows. I hope you have many more.

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