Try This!- New Mantra Method!!!!!

[CJC]

Hello! For the past weeks i have been experimenting with mantras and the best form in which to use them. Lots of people suggest using them in present tense. This is good and i agree with it, but many doubt whether they will work. They just say it halfheartedly and hope for the best. If you use a mantra to state your goal and then it doesnt happen, then you slowly lose confidence in its effectiveness, no? Well this new way of using them should get rid of that because you state something that is so obviously true, a scientific fact even. Example 1, for DILD/MILD: Mainstream mantra- "I will realize that I am dreaming." My verision- "I will be dreaming throught out the night." Example 2, for DEILD: Mainstream mantra- "I will realize when I am awake." My version- "I will be awake throughout the night." I think the difference that makes for me is that, even if you don't conciously know it, telling yourself to do something that there is a high probability of NOT happening, it takes the meaning of it away. Like last night i wanted to make sure I wasnt on a luck streak, and did mainstream way. No lucid. Other way: Lucid a night! I wanted to share this with DreamViews community, because i am SURE it will work. Please don't be skeptical about this! Give it a try! Remember, this could be the difference between a lucid dream tonight or not! Thankyou for reading my method, and i hope it produces awesome results! P.S. Please post any and all questions, success, AND failure stories. Peace

[Bobblehat]

I don't agree with the DEILD one but I will try my own variation of the DILD one tonight.

[CJC]

Cool good luck. Be sure to tell me what happens. Why do you not agree. I believe it has been proven that short awakenings are a part of the sleep cycle, is it not?

[Bobblehat]

This was my interpretation of his thataintme's idea: Using an ambitious mantra (like "I'll become lucid and fly to the moon") isn't as effective as a mantra that states what is an absolute fact ALREADY. This is how I used it last night: I used the mantra/afirmation: "My awareness will fluctuate in my dreams". Which IS already a fact, but I reckon becoming more mindful of it on going to sleep is likely to make your awareness fluctuate to an even greater degree, thus increasing your chances of becoming lucid. That's my interpretation. I'll stick with that interpretation because I had good success last night. I'll continue using it as part of my LD activities and keep you posted. Cool good luck. Be sure to tell me what happens. Why do you not agree. I believe it has been proven that short awakenings are a part of the sleep cycle, is it not? I haven't really had much success with DEILD, but "I will be awake throughout the night" wouldn't cut it for me if was attempting DEILD. Maybe (assuming I've interpreted your idea correctly) "I'll be aware during brief awakenings" is the one I would use.

[skullgunner1]

Will try this tonight!

[DinoSawr]

Interesting... From reading your post I suspect the difference may lie not in the words you are saying but the idea that comes to mind. Instead of hoping to remember something later, you set your mind on the lookout for dreams or awakenings so your mind never completely loses focus of your goal. Would you agree?

[Mancon]

Thanks for sharing! Interested in hearing results

[faceonmars]

I wanted to share this with DreamViews community, because i am SURE it will work. Please don't be skeptical about this! Give it a try! Remember, this could be the difference between a lucid dream tonight or not! If you are sure it will work, then it will work... for you. Positivism is very important element in LD induction. Personally, I visualize my mantra. That is what works for me.

[CJC]

If you are sure it will work, then it will work... for you. Positivism is very important element in LD induction. Personally, I visualize my mantra. That is what works for me. Yes, that is true, but remember, i was only experimenting with lots of different ways with only a neutral attitude, and it worked. But i do see your point.

[Bobblehat]

me[/I]. Can you tell me more about that? What do you do, exactly?

[CJC]

Interesting... From reading your post I suspect the difference may lie not in the words you are saying but the idea that comes to mind. Instead of hoping to remember something later, you set your mind on the lookout for dreams or awakenings so your mind never completely loses focus of your goal. Would you agree? Yes i would. Ill sum this up in my very own analogy: Lets say that you see the word "Blah" multiple times throughout the day. You take no notice of this one word because its just a word. Words are boring and mainstream. But then lets say on the next day, a friend tells you to look out for the word "Blah" and when you see it, it triggers the memory of your friend telling you to look out for it, and it is, if only for a moment, in the priority of your mind.

[CJC]

This was my interpretation of his thataintme's idea: Using an ambitious mantra (like "I'll become lucid and fly to the moon") isn't as effective as a mantra that states what is an absolute fact ALREADY. This is how I used it last night: I used the mantra/afirmation: "My awareness will fluctuate in my dreams". Which IS already a fact, but I reckon becoming more mindful of it on going to sleep is likely to make your awareness fluctuate to an even greater degree, thus increasing your chances of becoming lucid. That's my interpretation. Couldn't have explained it better myself. . I'll stick with that interpretation because I had good success last night. I'll continue using it as part of my LD activities and keep you posted. I haven't really had much success with DEILD, but "I will be awake throughout the night" wouldn't cut it for me if was attempting DEILD. Maybe (assuming I've interpreted your idea correctly) "I'll be aware during brief awakenings" is the one I would use. Awesome! Did you have a lucid? And that mantra for DEILD is even better than mine. I was just using the one there to set a guideline.

[Bobblehat]

I'll be trying the same approach tonight. I was very close last night, but I'm not disappointed in the dream I had last night. I'll let you know how it goes tonight.

[CJC]

Damn that was a fast reply. Cool im glad this is working for others.

[Linkzelda]

I'll try this tonight before I go to sleep, and then use it as a supplement if I fail a WILD attempt after a WBTB, thanks for posting!

[CJC]

Did this work for anyone else who tried it?

[HARRISANDERSON]

I'll give it a shot mate!

[skullgunner1]

Results: I had a pleasing amount of dreams, I remember around 2 and 1 that is on the tip of my tongue, no Lucids though. Will continue trying.

[skullgunner1]

No success this try either.

[CJC]

crap...

[dutchraptor]

I once did an experiment because I used to think the words to a mantra actually mattered. I think it's the meaning you interpret from the mantra which really counts, like what faceonmars is doing. You could be saying "I will wake up throughout the night" while in the back of your mind you are thinking of a potato, or you can be saying "I am a potato" while in the back of your mind thinking of waking up at night. Off course all this seems a little obvious but I'm pretty sure this is where most people fail. You don't just say it out loud, you have to imagine yourself doing it in the future, thinking of remembering yourself, thinking of noting in a mental notepad. I'm sure the words slightly matter but your unconscious doesn't actually interpret the words exactly it just stores it in the prospective memory as "wake up when dream".

[CJC]

I once did an experiment because I used to think the words to a mantra actually mattered. I think it's the meaning you interpret from the mantra which really counts, like what faceonmars is doing. You could be saying "I will wake up throughout the night" while in the back of your mind you are thinking of a potato, or you can be saying "I am a potato" while in the back of your mind thinking of waking up at night. Off course all this seems a little obvious but I'm pretty sure this is where most people fail. You don't just say it out loud, you have to imagine yourself doing it in the future, thinking of remembering yourself, thinking of noting in a mental notepad. I'm sure the words slightly matter but your unconscious doesn't actually interpret the words exactly it just stores it in the prospective memory as "wake up when dream". Wise words. Your probably right

[transflux]

I might shed some light on this. Basically, words are symbols that help you to focus your intention. They trigger mental images which in turn trigger emotions. These two are essential to set your intention. What matters is the intensity and repetition you can pack into the period of time you spend with this. The third factor is silence between periods of suggestion. By suppressing the random mental chatter and having no other thoughts in mind, the last one gains tremendous power. So what we have here is an alternation of highly active and totally passive periods when you passively look for response. To clearly communicate with your subconscious you need to break down your goal into key elements and define each of them in terms that all aspects of your self understand. You do this by remembering a past experience that best approximates what you mean by that particular phrase or combinations of words that anchors your key element then edit it until it feels perfect for you. Then you re-assemble your suggestions from these key elements. Repeating your suggestions serves two purposes: (1) to break down subconscious opposition - you do this by brute force and basic self-discipline; (2) uncovering sub-personalities with opposing agenda. These are aspects of your self that do not want you to reach your goal. Dealing with them is a whole another issue but the above should get you started.