Thread: How to VILD effectively

Originally Posted by shaftmonkey

hey good tutorial, i have one question though.

while you're imagining the sound of yourself breathing, etc. in your dream world, how do you keep from concentrating on yourself breathing in real life? I would confuse the sound of my breathing with the sounds i imagine in the dream area.

thats not really a very good thing to try and use to help build up sound XD. I was just using it to show everything has sound.

And I forgot to mention the big problem with breathing but more importantly, with smelling. DON'T! well at least, not like you normally would. For smelling, you do sort of a cover-up job. Otherwise you're likely to try sniffing in real life... =/. Try taking a big whiff right now. see how it feels? Now try re-creating that feeling in your head without breathing in. Its a little tricky, but thats how you can "breath" in your dream =)

Ok I got a question not about the method, but to you arby, have you had any success with this technique, if so how long did it take you, how much practice was involved, I'm very interested in nowing this if anyone has success with this tech.

Well, i'm a natural. I've tried analyzing what exactly I do to get lucid ever since I learned about LDs. I wanted to share how I did it and thats how this was born. Thats why its so oriented towards that philosophical part of what makes up a dream. So, even if people can't quite do this (i've tried it out myself, mind you) they should be much better off with other techniques.

But its alot harder to figure out what you're doing when you're not really concentrating on doing a technique. When I tried paying attention and analyzed what was happening inside my head, nothing happened because I didn't consciously know the next step.

Its taken over a year (check sign up date) but I think I've got a firm grasp now on what I do

Therefore this topic isn't about "ARBY'S #1 100% VILD TECH" because that would just be silly. This thread teaches the basics so people may expand upon it. Indisputably, the best technique for you will always be one of your own creation, one that fits you. Take what I say here to heart, but do not hold to it singularly, experiment and try to find your own path. =)

But then, following techs that have worked for others is always a good start to that.. XD

jeez i tend to ramble... lol

So is that a yes, as in you've done this technique throughout your life, you were always good at it and never needed to train your mind to do it.

Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

So is that a yes, as in you've done this technique throughout your life,

yes, as long as I can remember

you were always good at it

yes, as long as I can remember

and never needed to train your mind to do it.

I couldn't honestly tell you. I have little to no memory of my dreams more then a few years ago. I never really paid much attention untill I found out about LDing.

I never trained myself to be able to visualize better or attain lucidity but there are things in my past that may play part.

There IS one dream I remember clearly however. I had a phone in my hand and it didn't seem to want to leave me. I would smash it, pry it off with other objects, blast it (this was lucid, btw) but even if I got it off, it would simply return in perfect condition. I think this was a turning point in how I viewed and reacted to my mind (and therefore, why I remember this above all others) I pretty much worked to defy my mind from that point onwards whenever it turned against me like this (I got weird, illogical impulses and urges. I still do, but not to that extent) and I would batter it down again using my will power. Of course, this has huge effects on my manipulation of the dream world, being able to bend things to my will. It does wonders for dream control but I have no idea what effect it would have when I'm trying to get lucid.

I heard an excellent quote today. "it is impossible for one to truly understand another. He can only hope they are quite like himself" I love this quote. I don't know if I'm normal or not. I've always suspected that I may have (mild at least) OCD. If only I could get inside the brain of another. Just for a day then I could truly be able to understand.

But alas, I cannot. Therefore I must hope that they are quite like myself, and this will help them to Lucid Dream.

Arby, you are a GENIUS.

Thank you so much for this thread!

I've been a total failure at everything else. MILD, WILD, DEILD...you name it. I've always naturally tried to visualise dreams when trying WILD (A method I'd have liked to succeed at because of the whole straight into lucid dream thing) but I didn't know how to do it properly.

I saw your tutorial last night and tried it when I went to bed. It was hard for me when I tried it first because I couldn't zonk out properly. The blackness behind my eyes kept overriding my fragile visualisated scene. I tried again a short while later. I was able to zonk out better and when I brought sight, sound and feel into it together the scene I was visualising expanded to all around me and my scene transitioned to a shaky dream. I guess this is what you meant by stablization - I was in the scene properly and it had expanded to surround me. It was really running itself, but I still had to concentrate to keep it together.

I lost lucidity slightly when I did that, making me suspicious at first when I woke up it might have failed and that it had been a DILD. But I remembered that the scene I had created was stable throughout with no laspe of dream conciousness in it, so I guess it was ok.



That was the FIRST TIME a technique has worked for me properly! And that was my first shot at VILD.

I'm going to keep doing this, I really think it's going to work. Also, I had a hard time getting enough touch into my dream when I was standing, so I entered the dream on a horse. Now, I can't really say anything about tht yet, I have no idea how good it is, but I'll keep trying it.

Oh yeah! Thank's for the tutorial, arby!

I will try this tonight (although it might not work since I'll be on a plane). All techniques have failed for me so far but MILD has been the best so I'll try this for a while, if not I'm back to MILD

This sounds great! It is something to keep your mind on while WILDing and creates the dreamscape of your choice at the same time! Can it be done right when going to sleep, or is it like all the others, best during WBTB/morning?

So I can visualise in my minds eye, say my dining room in my house.
But when I do the look through my eyelids thing, I just see black and get some colours etc towards SP.
Which one should I be using? If it is the looking through eyelids at the blackness and form an image there, I have never been able to create an image on the black canvas.
How do you do it, or is it all with the minds eye?
Can anyone elaborate?

this sounds like a great method thank you for posting such a detailed description. I have a couple of questions.

After we capture the senses of the dream, should we start thinking of doing actions even if we are just visualizing it, and then eventually your mind will take over, or do we just play with the senses until we feel we have switched into a dream state?

also i am on a search for a non-DILD method that doesnt cause SP because frankly the experience is one i would wish to avoid. So does this VILD method cause SP?

I'm sorry, this may be a stupid question but I'm new here

Does this method manage to skip over SP? I tried a normal WILD breath counting technique the other day and the rapid pulse I got during SP made me think I was having a heart attack I don't really want to give up on WILDs, but I'm not brave enough to try that method again yet!

in regards to everyone asking about SP:

as far as i have learned from this forum everyone is different and every attempt is different.
sometimes youd feel SP, sometimes you wouldnt. but if you are building a scene, you would probably not be concentrating on how youre real body feels

DreamChaser:
visualising is not about looking at the 'blackness'. its about trying to make a picture in your mind

if you actually see something in that blackness; towards SP or whatever; its most likely H.I

I haven't checked this in a while. Pleased to see that people are still seeing it even when its not bumped up to the very top.

Originally Posted by A Humble Sinner

Arby, you are a GENIUS.

Thank you so much for this thread!

I've been a total failure at everything else. MILD, WILD, DEILD...you name it. I've always naturally tried to visualise dreams when trying WILD (A method I'd have liked to succeed at because of the whole straight into lucid dream thing) but I didn't know how to do it properly.

I saw your tutorial last night and tried it when I went to bed. It was hard for me when I tried it first because I couldn't zonk out properly. The blackness behind my eyes kept overriding my fragile visualisated scene. I tried again a short while later. I was able to zonk out better and when I brought sight, sound and feel into it together the scene I was visualising expanded to all around me and my scene transitioned to a shaky dream. I guess this is what you meant by stablization - I was in the scene properly and it had expanded to surround me. It was really running itself, but I still had to concentrate to keep it together.

I lost lucidity slightly when I did that, making me suspicious at first when I woke up it might have failed and that it had been a DILD. But I remembered that the scene I had created was stable throughout with no laspe of dream conciousness in it, so I guess it was ok.



That was the FIRST TIME a technique has worked for me properly! And that was my first shot at VILD.

I'm going to keep doing this, I really think it's going to work. Also, I had a hard time getting enough touch into my dream when I was standing, so I entered the dream on a horse. Now, I can't really say anything about tht yet, I have no idea how good it is, but I'll keep trying it.

Oh yeah! Thank's for the tutorial, arby!

Although I wouldn't quite suggest relying on a VILD if you haven't had much success already, I'm happy that you got a decent result out of it.

Yes, the lapse in lucid awareness is a very apparent part of the VILD (at least my version). You cannot truly keep awareness and let go enough to transfer to a true dream state. Often, you can expect this tech to dump you into a semi-lucid state. Depending on your perspective, this may be a great downfall or a fantastic plus side. I personally like semis so... go figure why I VILD. XD Also, you talked about perhaps having a DILD afterwards. Its a likely scenario if you went semi-lucid when your dream stabilized. Semi to full is a very short jump.

But, practice, practice, practice. If you're having trouble with touch, do small memory exercises right before bed. Think of what actions you will be doing when you first enter it and try to create an imprint of that in your mind. It makes it exponentially easier. (especially with the senses we normally ignore)

Originally Posted by zobey

This sounds great! It is something to keep your mind on while WILDing and creates the dreamscape of your choice at the same time! Can it be done right when going to sleep, or is it like all the others, best during WBTB/morning?

WBTB time works great because you have that imprint in your mind of what the dream was like. Just like almost all techniques, this is made easier in the morning. For this tech however, I don't find the perks of doing it at WBTB to be as large as the others however. You will not be likely to succeed at WBTB time if you cannot even get a decent VILD at other times.

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

So I can visualise in my minds eye, say my dining room in my house.
But when I do the look through my eyelids thing, I just see black and get some colours etc towards SP.
Which one should I be using? If it is the looking through eyelids at the blackness and form an image there, I have never been able to create an image on the black canvas.
How do you do it, or is it all with the minds eye?
Can anyone elaborate?

I would say neither. The closest is the minds eye but thats still a little bit off.

This will probably sound really weird but stick with me as I try to explain it. You see through the eyes of your dream self. This is TOTAL detachment from your body. Its not a picture in your head or an image painted on your eyelid, but a separate eye entity.

These work just as your body works in a dream. Just as if you are feeling your dream arm and lifting your dream arm, you can see through the eyes of your dream self. Where to begin... What do your eyes feel like? BACK to the whole craziness of things we never notice anymore. Your eyes have a physical presence. When you try to look in your mind's eye, you probably feel a void. This is the lack of your eyes. Now, how do you figure out what your eyes feel like? Quite simple actually, make them differ from their current state. Hold your eyes open for a minute or so. Now you can most definitely feel them. Once you think you have the feeling down, we apply touch. Close your eyes and concentrate on the feeling that your eyes have. Look as if in your minds eye but with the eyes you have created. you should get at least SOME improvement if you can hold it together.

Why isn't this in the tut? Well I just realized it now after I though about exaclty where I see from. Life is a learning experience, eh? But I DID say touch was important, no?

Originally Posted by lucidboarder

this sounds like a great method thank you for posting such a detailed description. I have a couple of questions.

After we capture the senses of the dream, should we start thinking of doing actions even if we are just visualizing it, and then eventually your mind will take over, or do we just play with the senses until we feel we have switched into a dream state?

also i am on a search for a non-DILD method that doesnt cause SP because frankly the experience is one i would wish to avoid. So does this VILD method cause SP?

Personally, I have never encountered SP. You should be pretty safe with this. SP is really your body falling asleep, right? In this tech, you are already long into the dream world by the time that happens.

As for your question, you can do either assuming it's engaging and distracting enough.

Originally Posted by Amelaclya

I'm sorry, this may be a stupid question but I'm new here

Does this method manage to skip over SP? I tried a normal WILD breath counting technique the other day and the rapid pulse I got during SP made me think I was having a heart attack I don't really want to give up on WILDs, but I'm not brave enough to try that method again yet!

SP isn't really something to be afraid of. But yes, you should be safe (as mentioned above)

I've got a question and a problem =0!

How long should this be taking (at the longest)? I tried for about an hour last night and a little less a few other nights and couldn't transition into a dream. And that's my problem, my visualizations are very vivid, I have a few clear ideas to use for scenes, and I can hold all the senses together pretty well, but I get stuck at that point. 0_0

Originally Posted by sdlac

I've got a question and a problem =0!

How long should this be taking (at the longest)? I tried for about an hour last night and a little less a few other nights and couldn't transition into a dream. And that's my problem, my visualizations are very vivid, I have a few clear ideas to use for scenes, and I can hold all the senses together pretty well, but I get stuck at that point. 0_0

You need to transition into the dream.

Go and do something simple. Walk around, explore. Start throwing stuff at DCs if you want.. XD

If you want something that helps you transition, conjure up a chess board or some other game. Play it against someone. When the game is done, the dream should have transitioned. If you're afraid you might forget that it's a dream, write down "this is a dream" on a piece of paper and put it to the side. When the game is over, pick it up and read it.

Don't think about your real body and don't go asking yourself "has it worked yet?" You'll usually be able to tell when its become a dream if you remain vigilant in your awareness. Things will pop up that "you" did not create and weird things will begin to happen.

The time it takes fluctuates alot. A snappy WBTB time VILD can take about 30 seconds to become stable while a late night one can sometimes even take up to 20 minutes. If its taking up to an hour however, somethings not right. If you're having trouble stabilizing the dream and you're doing it before sleep, try doing it at WBTB time. It tends to be an easier shift. Don't allow yourself to wake up very much either. you want to go right back in.

Great tutorial! I'll try this tonight!

Thanks for the awesome tutorial arby, I didn't see this. Any kind of WILDing/VILDing always reminds me of meditation and hypnosis so much.

Sounds like a pretty awesome method. I almost found myself by the lake as i read it!!! Can't wait to try it.

awsome job on the titoria; when i first attempted wild i actually did this sort of but my question is are you supposed to stay totally still while doing this ? just like in a wild because when i did this my mind just went blank like my scene wich was a basketball court went black i felt like i was inside my body but couldnt do anything about it and then i didnt exactly know what to do afterthat

Originally Posted by vinn

awsome job on the titoria; when i first attempted wild i actually did this sort of but my question is are you supposed to stay totally still while doing this ? just like in a wild because when i did this my mind just went blank like my scene wich was a basketball court went black i felt like i was inside my body but couldnt do anything about it and then i didnt exactly know what to do afterthat

You should keep your real life body still but it's fine to move your dream body. In fact, I encourage you to do some sort of action in the dream. After talking to quite a few people, it has become apparent that doing drastic things off the bat isn't as bad as I'd thought. I'm currently in the middle of a re-write for this tut because of that and a few other things. But moving and doing lucid stuff should be fine as long as you keep calm and don't get too excited.

This is brilliant. Thanks for this !

I have always wanted to try VILD, it just always stuck out to me, but I never quite got it... like I somehow felt that I could do it, I think I'm pretty good at visualizing things. I just have a feeling that this is the right tech for me, you know?

Well, I will be trying this over the next week. For some reason, my recall has completely stopped for the lats couple days so when it comes back, ill be on top of this... ill try a bit anyway until then though.

Thanks!

Thanks alot !

This techniques looks great, you did a very good job writing it.
I once woke up (before I read about LD), and then went to the couch in my living room, and I closed my eyes and started to visualize the living room, not because I wanted, but because I was there and I started to fall asleep and then a DC entered my visualization (This was the beginning of the dream, because I didn't imagined the DC), but I got to excited imagining the scene and seeing it in a dream that I woke up. It was a bit like VILD but without much lucidity and with a very easy scenery to remember and imagine.
I've tried the technique like you wrote it but It was after I slept 9 hours and I waited a lot of time but didn't entered the dream stage... Maybe I slept to much? =P
Congratulations for the great tutorial.

sort of tried.
sounds promising, because it seemed to easily give partial results
(once i managed to build me and my clothes and get me to dream, then lost it, and another time in this same night i got in a decent scenary. none of the two i got actually lucid, but that was better than nothing)