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The only thing I notice as I relax when trying to wild is light. I see purply-whitish swirls float around, and fade out, and thats what i focus on.

Anyway, I was looking at these... and I felt a distinct like... shift, i guess. I was looking at them, and all of a sudden... it felt like I was deep in them and they were all around me. It felt darker... blacker... and just like deep. it was really weird. What was that?

Also, twice, I've had my eyes move around under my eyelids when trying to wild. But its not at the start, like you seem to be saying... it happens as I feel more numb, relaxed, and closer to SP. All of a sudden, they start freaking out... hugely. The first time I tried, it felt like one of my eyes went in a full circle. i can't possibly keep my eyelids closed, they get forced open. Any advice?

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Originally Posted by blakkin

The only thing I notice as I relax when trying to wild is light. I see purply-whitish swirls float around, and fade out, and thats what i focus on.

Anyway, I was looking at these... and I felt a distinct like... shift, i guess. I was looking at them, and all of a sudden... it felt like I was deep in them and they were all around me. It felt darker... blacker... and just like deep. it was really weird. What was that?

Also, twice, I've had my eyes move around under my eyelids when trying to wild. But its not at the start, like you seem to be saying... it happens as I feel more numb, relaxed, and closer to SP. All of a sudden, they start freaking out... hugely. The first time I tried, it felt like one of my eyes went in a full circle. i can't possibly keep my eyelids closed, they get forced open. Any advice?

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Hello blakkin! thanks for stopping by To answer your first question regarding the purplish white things you see in your closed eyes...I would have to say it's H.I. (Hypnagogic Imagery). It sounds dead-on to H.I. actually.

And before I answer your second question let me ask you a question first. Have you done the method I recommended for energetic eyes?

Hi jeff! i've been trying this couple of times and every time i fail. the problem is not staying still, the problem is what's happening after 30-45 min of stayin still. my whole body goes crazzy, tears are commin from my eyes and i feel weakness troughout body. i can overcome that but then happens something really wierd... i can't feel my body anymore exept head and arms, the rest of the body is totally numb. whole body, from feets to neck is up in the air. i know it's not really but i feel it that way. and i can't fell asleep. whats the problem, am i doing something wrong here?

help pls!

Originally Posted by samorau

Hi jeff! i've been trying this couple of times and every time i fail. the problem is not staying still, the problem is what's happening after 30-45 min of stayin still. my whole body goes crazzy, tears are commin from my eyes and i feel weakness troughout body. i can overcome that but then happens something really wierd... i can't feel my body anymore exept head and arms, the rest of the body is totally numb. whole body, from feets to neck is up in the air. i know it's not really but i feel it that way. and i can't fell asleep. whats the problem, am i doing something wrong here?

help pls!

This happens to me too except it happens a lot sooner than 30 mins. I always thought this was my body making me unconfortable but maybe that's me in SP? Anyway I can never go to sleep like that and my mind always has some way of convincing me that I'll never sleep like that so I move I think it just takes a lot of willpower. If I stay like that long enough though, I no longer become aware of my body at all, I feel enclosed in my mind.

Originally Posted by samorau

Hi jeff! i've been trying this couple of times and every time i fail. the problem is not staying still, the problem is what's happening after 30-45 min of stayin still. my whole body goes crazzy, tears are commin from my eyes and i feel weakness troughout body. i can overcome that but then happens something really wierd... i can't feel my body anymore exept head and arms, the rest of the body is totally numb. whole body, from feets to neck is up in the air. i know it's not really but i feel it that way. and i can't fell asleep. whats the problem, am i doing something wrong here?

help pls!

Try doing a relaxation exercise before your attempts. Breathing exercises work wonders for me and I suggest you try one as well. Also do not forget, it's very important to stay calm throughout your experience.

My problem is, I feel creeped out in my room. I'm sorry but its just flate out creepy at night and I end up not doing it because I feel uncomfortble.

Originally Posted by pepsibluefan

My problem is, I feel creeped out in my room. I'm sorry but its just flate out creepy at night and I end up not doing it because I feel uncomfortble.

You can either muster the strength to get over your fear and do it in your room, or do it early on in the evening in another part of your house...perhaps by sitting in a recliner or lying on a couch.

Thnx ALOT for the tips on keeping your eyes still. I find that that is my biggest problem. Alot of people seem to have trouble with the swallowing thing but not me i drewl alot though

First attempt proved fruitless, plus I got that wave of uncomfortableness (I know, not a word) 3 times in a row, it was not pleasant...

I actually went close to SP when I fell asleep, but then I awoke and I WAS in SP. Unfortunately, I couldn't delve back into my dreams. And I had to get up to talk to my dad afterwards.

Originally Posted by Arch0n

First attempt proved fruitless, plus I got that wave of uncomfortableness (I know, not a word) 3 times in a row, it was not pleasant...

I actually went close to SP when I fell asleep, but then I awoke and I WAS in SP. Unfortunately, I couldn't delve back into my dreams. And I had to get up to talk to my dad afterwards.

It sounds as if you are making excellent progress Arch0n, keep at it!

Awesomeness. Thanks!

i fell like such a retard for saying this for about the 3rd time, but what do you do with your eyes? do you keep them closed, if not how do you not blink? and how dose wild help you lucid dream? (that last question is new im just very curios. sorry for being so repetitive, im a newb i know... lol

Originally Posted by evan56780

i fell like such a retard for saying this for about the 3rd time, but what do you do with your eyes? do you keep them closed, if not how do you not blink? and how dose wild help you lucid dream? (that last question is new im just very curios. sorry for being so repetitive, im a newb i know... lol

I have researched where your eyes sit when dreaming/sleeping.
They tend to roll to an upward position.
Close your eyes and roll them upwards as high as possible, but still comfortable and the least movement. This position will minimise flutter if you hold it and relax.
I have found when awaking and semi-lucid that this is where the eyes sit.

It makes good sense to sit them there when attempting any Lucid exercises.
It simulates to your body you are asleep or ready to dream.

Thank you, Jeff!

I had a WILD once but it didn't involve SP. I tried to WILD like in the tutorials and after an hour or so I gave up. I turned from the back position to my natural side position and tried to take a nap. After a few moments I felt I could move my legs without moving them a very cool feeling. So I started moving them like I'm walking and splash I see myself walking on a sidewalk at night fully conscious of my transition to the dream. The night thing was cool because I went to sleep in the afternoon.

The WILD only worked when I stopped focusing on everything and waiting for something to happen. It only worked when I gave up. And it's much easier to stop focusing on everything when you are in your natural position.

I'm going to take your advise about elevating my head with a towel. The swallowing is my biggest problem with Wild.

very usefull, the swallowing is my issue to, after about an hour I can't keep myself from swallowing anymore
but doing it after a few hours of sleep was a total failure for me, since I'm very unclear then and the only thing I can think of is sleep, while the time I go to sleep on days I have to go to school falls perfectly together with my peak in clarity and awakeness(wich makes it takes longer then others to fall in a normal sleep, but wil finally pay off with this I hope)(normally I'm drowsy and unclear in the moring, getting awake in the afternoon, getting clearer in the evening wich begins to really progress after 11 hour, with the peak in clarity from 12-3 or so)

btw, I experienced almost all feelings/sensations you say related to SP and that in only 2 nights(only the music/voices not)