Thread: LD personal o2: WILD happens, when we learn how to fall asleep consciously

Nice summary adraw, now in answer to your questions :

1. We cannot really 'say' the level of awakeness, we should first figure out (going back to the original goal) what causes us to fall asleep, then we can put them in categories.

1. I think a WILD attempt that makes you more awake than sleepy is caused by your REM cycles, WILD's seem to only work (for most people) after about the fourth REM period. So if you try to WILD before then (it will be different considering the people) your brain will be almost saying "Oh my god, why did you wake me up, I have been resting". But after the 3rd or 4th REM period it's like "Oh well I have had enough sleep but I might aswell stay shut down and do what they say!"

1. To answer number three I think anyone who actaully wants to initiate WILD should read Clairity's WILD Technique! http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=37749

And as adraw said, any other questions and we (well atleast I) will ahppily answer them to the best of my knowledge.

Peace, Yoshu!

Originally Posted by Yoshu

Nice summary adraw, now in answer to your questions :

1. We cannot really 'say' the level of awakeness, we should first figure out (going back to the original goal) what causes us to fall asleep, then we can put them in categories.

1. I think a WILD attempt that makes you more awake than sleepy is caused by your REM cycles, WILD's seem to only work (for most people) after about the fourth REM period. So if you try to WILD
   before then (it will be different considering the people) your brain will be almost saying "Oh my god, why did you wake me up, I have been resting". But after the 3rd or 4th REM period it's like "Oh well I have had enough sleep but I might aswell stay shut down and do what they say!"

1. To answer number three I think anyone who actaully wants to initiate WILD should read Clairity's WILD Technique! http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=37749

And as adraw said, any other questions and we (well atleast I) will ahppily answer them to the best of my knowledge.

Peace, Yoshu!

Thats nice. Well I like, how you actually rephrased my second questionl. After the end of this topic, i will write another set of question which seem to be more accurate than first ones.
I read wild technique, you mentioned. But i guess i will read it once more. It seems to be more and more informative each time i read it.

Now to what i like the most about your topic. The rem stages. Hmm. This interests me further. We should research what happens, when we awake in different parts of night. I guess we will need expert help.

So now. The questions rephrased and corrected:
1. What causes us to fall asleep. {Which factors cause increasing of wakefullness and which decreasing?}
2. REM phase happens in time interval. What happens when we take a WILD attempt at the start of REM phase, what in the middle of REM and what after the REM period? Whats the difference in what we might experience?
3. And thats pretty much all.

I thing, this questions seem to be less abstract, and should be easier to answer.

Thx again for your patience and answers.

Thanks, I like it when I get compliments
There is something you must learn about me (going straight off subject) I reply to posts very quickly between 4pm and 9pm (GMT UK)

Back to the point, yes, we will need expert help in the different stages of REM compared to WILDing.

Also, I had a thought, if we look at some examples of things that are made to make us go to sleep such as , drugs (but I don't want to do drugs for a LD) and hypnotism, basically concentration and mental forcing is used in hypnotism so how can we concentrate that much?

Any answers to that would be appreciated

Thanks, Yoshu

I will volunteer for any experiments involving drugs. Would like to discuss but need to catch up on work. I will just point out useful information on the homepage. From this information, I will try and do some experiments with Idoser. Idoser has an alpha, beta, delta and gamme files.

Nice although we don't want any drug charges brought against dreamviews
I-doser (know I know what it is) looks quite cool and so I am downlaoding now of a website, *cough* www.download.com *cough*

Sorry if I don't reply much in the next few days as I have too much coursework and stuff, for those who are not english it is basically higher level homework!!

Yoshu

ha seems, we both are unable to keep up with our RL duties and discuss this at the same time. I heard opium can aid in lucid dreaming. As I have little fear of the law (ones I do not believe in), I will try this one since I know I can get it pretty easily. At the very least, there is also an opium file in Idoser.

Originally Posted by CiD

ha seems, we both are unable to keep up with our RL duties and discuss this at the same time. I heard opium can aid in lucid dreaming. As I have little fear of the law (ones I do not believe in), I will try this one since I know I can get it pretty easily. At the very least, there is also an opium file in Idoser.

Well. Dont continue talking about this stuff here. I thing, noone wants to have this thread closed.