Thread: Techniques are good, but ... isnt there something more?

As we all know, We have found soo many techniques. Our clever heads work diligently to prepare them for us. But as we all see these techniques are used to achieve something ... help us having lucid dreams. Still they are often hit and miss for some of us. Not becouse the texts of these techniques are not descriptive enough. But they often tell us just what to do... And not why to do it.

Actually>...

Why do we perform steps of these techniques?
What are the limitations of techniques?
Whats the state of brain, when to perform that techniques?
And ... Every question which happened to pop up after reading a technique.

Now. You may feel somehow confused about what i am trying to achieve. I would like to move focus more from differentiation into unification. We could build some kind of unified theory above all this techniques. Let me start...

I would start with two ellements:

1. Brain state
2. State transformation

Our brain happens to be in some kind of state and it is constantly under effects of transformation. Sometimes the transformation is unwanted, sometimes induced. We should focus more on induced transformations {or so called techniques}.

Now... How do i percieve transformations. Transformation has three ellements:

1. Description of state {states}, which is needed to enter the technique
2. Process of transformation
3. Description of state {states}, which is result of transformation itself.

So let us take our belowed WILD method {transformation}. I will describe it in mentioned three point

1. You have to be relaxed, somehow passive, receptive ....
2. The process can be split into more transformations
3. You succesfully recognize you are dreaming

I think you you know, what i am trying to tell you... And now. Wanna hear about you and your ideas about this.

Originally Posted by adraw

As we all know, We have found soo many techniques. Our clever heads work diligently to prepare them for us. But as we all see these techniques are used to achieve something ... help us having lucid dreams. Still they are often hit and miss for some of us. Not becouse the texts of these techniques are not descriptive enough. But they often tell us just what to do... And not why to do it.

Actually>...

Why do we perform steps of these techniques?
What are the limitations of techniques?
Whats the state of brain, when to perform that techniques?
And ... Every question which happened to pop up after reading a technique.

Now. You may feel somehow confused about what i am trying to achieve. I would like to move focus more from differentiation into unification. We could build some kind of unified theory above all this techniques. Let me start...

I would start with two ellements:

1. Brain state
2. State transformation

Our brain happens to be in some kind of state and it is constantly under effects of transformation. Sometimes the transformation is unwanted, sometimes induced. We should focus more on induced transformations {or so called techniques}.

Now... How do i percieve transformations. Transformation has three ellements:

1. Description of state {states}, which is needed to enter the technique
2. Process of transformation
3. Description of state {states}, which is result of transformation itself.

So let us take our belowed WILD method {transformation}. I will describe it in mentioned three point

1. You have to be relaxed, somehow passive, receptive ....
2. The process can be split into more transformations
3. You succesfully recognize you are dreaming

I think you you know, what i am trying to tell you... And now. Wanna hear about you and your ideas about this.

Hi, I think Lucid Dreams IMO and experience arise by CHANCE because of 1) Day residue...Ur checks during the daytime so happens got into Ur subconcious for that day 2) U already primed the mind to react to a certain element in the dream..like the lightbulb blows and U automatically do a reality check 3) Before U slept U had the mood of Lucid Dreaming....that U did the checks just now during the day and feel confident and fall in love with the idea that U did them.

As for techniques like WILD....it's more personalised and the tutorials can only give the basic idea of how a WILD is done. The real WILD technique is the one U will modify to suit the way Ur mind works. Same goes for FILD,VILD and what not....

IMJ

Hey there,

I'm not a big fan of techniques myself. They're good for people who are new at lucid dreaming to have a lucid dream and experience what its like, but in the long run, like you I believe there's more.

I often like to make the analogy to dieting. Lots of people diet... in fact, lots of people get caught in this pattern where they gain weight, diet, gain weight again, diet, gain weight again, diet, do this several years, eventually give up and in their old day just dont care anymore.

Techniques, to me, are pretty much the same thing. Lucid dreamers get caught in a pattern of 'moments of lucidity' followed by long dry spells, then go back to 'moments of lucidity' and so far. All the while their interest waxes and wanes, but they never really seem to improve.

Why is this? Several reasons. Like diets, techniques tend to be hard to maintain for a long amount of time, because of the amount of mental effort and discipline they require. Additionally, our minds adapts, our sleeping rythmes adapt, and techniques which give you lucid dreams every night for the first two weeks, start losing effectiviness in the third week, and stop even giving you results in the fourth. Which is then followed by another dry spell, by the lucid dreamer searching for a new 'miracle' technique, which then starts the whole cycle again.

But really losing weight for good works differently, its about changing lifestyle, eating habbits, getting more exercise. Its about making radical and true changes in the way you live your life. Likewise, this is what I think is needed to truly increase your overall dreamawareness.

Like the 'lifestyle changes' in the diet, you need consistency, patience, knowing that fast results often net very little, but that persistance is a key. Doing things like paying attention to all your dreams, giving dreams an important 'role' in your life, making sure you have consistent sleep patterns, symbolising your dreams, writing about them, thinking about, coming to understand them, etc. These are actual lifestyle changes that will result, in my opinion, in a slow but certain increase in dreamawareness. It won't give you lucid dreams next week, probably won't even next month, but in the long run, you will find that more and more, the ideal of constant lucidity becomes something that looks like it's actually achievable (if only to a certain degree).

Just my 2 cents,

-Redrivertears-

Originally Posted by Redrivertears

Hey there,

I'm not a big fan of techniques myself. They're good for people who are new at lucid dreaming to have a lucid dream and experience what its like, but in the long run, like you I believe there's more.

I often like to make the analogy to dieting. Lots of people diet... in fact, lots of people get caught in this pattern where they gain weight, diet, gain weight again, diet, gain weight again, diet, do this several years, eventually give up and in their old day just dont care anymore.

Techniques, to me, are pretty much the same thing. Lucid dreamers get caught in a pattern of 'moments of lucidity' followed by long dry spells, then go back to 'moments of lucidity' and so far. All the while their interest waxes and wanes, but they never really seem to improve.

Why is this? Several reasons. Like diets, techniques tend to be hard to maintain for a long amount of time, because of the amount of mental effort and discipline they require. Additionally, our minds adapts, our sleeping rythmes adapt, and techniques which give you lucid dreams every night for the first two weeks, start losing effectiviness in the third week, and stop even giving you results in the fourth. Which is then followed by another dry spell, by the lucid dreamer searching for a new 'miracle' technique, which then starts the whole cycle again.

But really losing weight for good works differently, its about changing lifestyle, eating habbits, getting more exercise. Its about making radical and true changes in the way you live your life. Likewise, this is what I think is needed to truly increase your overall dreamawareness.

Like the 'lifestyle changes' in the diet, you need consistency, patience, knowing that fast results often net very little, but that persistance is a key. Doing things like paying attention to all your dreams, giving dreams an important 'role' in your life, making sure you have consistent sleep patterns, symbolising your dreams, writing about them, thinking about, coming to understand them, etc. These are actual lifestyle changes that will result, in my opinion, in a slow but certain increase in dreamawareness. It won't give you lucid dreams next week, probably won't even next month, but in the long run, you will find that more and more, the ideal of constant lucidity becomes something that looks like it's actually achievable (if only to a certain degree).

Just my 2 cents,

-Redrivertears-

I dont know, what to add into this words. Maybe just this: Yes. I Guess you are right.

Yeah, good post man. I hope I can get to that point. I do think about dreams a lot, I try to write in my DJ every day, and I don't think I've yet come to a point where my interest in LD'ing has waned. So, with time, I think I'll get there. But for now, I need me some techniques.

Originally Posted by unseen wombat

Yeah, good post man. I hope I can get to that point. I do think about dreams a lot, I try to write in my DJ every day, and I don't think I've yet come to a point where my interest in LD'ing has waned. So, with time, I think I'll get there. But for now, I need me some techniques.