stuck on WILD? the answer to some of your questions

[FreeOne]

"Update well. i have been looking at the forum for the past year, and everyday there is at least 1 new "stuck on WILD" post. so, in hope to solve some of these posts, i have decided to try and answer some questions, and give some helpful links keep in mind that i am not an expert at WILD, but i have had plenty, and i know many of the answers to some of the popular questions of the "stuck on WILD" posts. Before we get started there is one very important question that I need to answer. What is WILD? WILD stands for Wake Iniciated Lucid Dream. So a WILD is any lucid dream that there was no lapse in conscious from waking, to dreaming. So there might be a couple other techniques on this forum that fall into that category. so lets begin! 1. Do you have to sleep on your back? Nope! the back is comfortable for some people. and helps some people focus, but there is no way you are going to accomplish WILD if you are not comfortable! find a comfortable position whether it is your back, your side, your stomach, or slightly upright, and start WILDing from there. 2. What if you need to swallow? SWALLOW! everyone says "dont move or you will ruin everything!" but trying not to think about it is much worse! and forcing yourself not to swallow is hell. It will put you off much worse than just getting it over with and swallowing! 3. What if you have an itch? same as swallowing. Just itch it. dont make your life hell. 4. Do you have to have HI, Vibrations, and SP? No most people will have these symptoms, but some will not. And that is perfectly okay! you can still WILD without them. I personally get almost no HI, and i have never had SP (while WILDing anyway) HI vibrations and SP are more like clues to how far you are. They are helpful, but you dont need them. 5. When should i attempt WILD? always do a wbtb. The most popular spot for attempts is around 4-6 hours after you go to bed. Or first thing you wake up in the morning. whatever you choose, DO NOT TRY WILD RIGHT WHEN YOU GO TO BED! that's what discourages people when they don't have success. Your best dreams occur during REM sleep. REM sleep doesn't start till 90 min. after you go to sleep. And even then it will only last like 10 min. It is really difficult just to get to the transition stage when you first go to sleep. You are too awake for one, and for two, its f*cking 90 min away! I know it sounds hard, but trust me. You will have alot more success if you just tough it up and do the wbtb. 6. Do i have to count (1 im dreaming 2 im dreaming)? No there are lots of other choices. Some people like the counting, some people like to visualize. Some people like to MILD, and there are others like me out there who just like to chill and think about stuff to keep their mind busy. It is really a pick and choose thing. Just do what ever will keep you awake, but not too awake 7. how long does it take? Time? time varys. ALOT for some peole. It depends on when you try, and how awake you are, how close you are from REM, etc. I have had WILDs that have taken me only 5 min. or less. But i have also had WILDs that have taken me over an hour. just chill. You will get there eventually 8. I can get to the vibrations, but they always disapear. How can i stop this? The vibrations are very fragile. If you focus to much on them, they will go away. If you get to excited/suprised of them, they will go away from that too. Just observe them passively and try not to notice them. If they go away, dont ruin your attempt by getting out of bed and starting to bang your head on the nearest wall. Just wait for like 10 sec. 90% of the time, the vibrations come back! 9. I can get to SP, but I get stuck! how do i get to the dream? Here is what you could try. Try using movement. If you imagine yourself moving when this deeply relaxed, somtimes you can start feeling the imagined movement! This can be quite helpful if you dont know if you are dreaming yet. Just imagine yourself falling off your bed. If you hit the floor, and can feel the carpet, then you can be pretty sure that you are in a dream. Or imagine yourself sinking through your bed. If you start falling and land, then you can be pretty sure you are dreaming then too. You can try visualizing the dream around you. and when you start smelling the smells and feeling the stuff to feel, and you can see your surroundings, you have a pretty safe bet that you can start exploring (Only use this next thing if you have run out of all other options it can ruin a WILD pretty d*mn quick) When all else fails, sometimes you just have to open your eyes. You might be dreaming already. I have had a couple WILDs where i think that its hopeless, and that i should just go back to sleep. only to open my eyes do a RC, and find out that i am already dreaming! only use this when you HAVE to though. 10. How long should my wbtb be? Some people say you should do a full wbtb (30-60 min) others say you should just get up get a drink and go to the bathroom. For me though, i say wbtb should be just long enough to get your mind awake. Not too awake of course, but awake enough so you don't just fall right back to sleep in 10 sec. I always try to lean towards the shorter side though. 11. Everytime i WILD, i fall asleep! how do i stop this? Focus a bit more next time, and if that doesnt work adjust your wbtb time! if you did a wbtb of 5 hours and you were too sleepy, try 4 hours, or 6, or 5 1/2. Adjusting wbtb times helps. But when it all comes down to the wire, you just need practice. You dont want to be too awake, but you dont want to be too sleepy either. you just need to find that balance 12. I followed the technique exactly, but it didnt work! why? The techniques are more like guides. Everyone is different. You have been hearing that since 1st grade. But nobody thinks about sleeping that way. Some peoples REM periods come at different times. some people need a firm matteress to fall asleep, others need soft ones. The list go's on and on. Everyone WILDs a bit different too. So the whole point of those WILD guides is for you to pick the one that will work best for you, then little by little, adjust and fine tune it so you can have a successful WILD! dont just keep following the techniques exactly. If somthing doesnt work, change it! 13. Is WILD the same as an OBE?No. For everyone that believes in OBEs they say they are very similar to WILD. But don’t get it confused. Sleep paralisis, hypnogogic imagery and all that other good stuff happens every night. You just arent conscious during them. 14. If I dream that I WILD does it count as a WILD? Some people may disagree with me on this, but I think the answer is yes. Let me explain. When you are dreaming, you are unconscious in real life, but in dream life you are conscious. You are consciously falling asleep in your dream world, with no lapse of consciousness in between, till you are lucid dreaming inside a dream! It still follows the definition. You weren’t conscious in real life, but you were conscious in your dream life. and now for some helpful links http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=15190 Allinyourhead’s how to fail a WILD post http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=1886 Gestalalteration’s WILD guide http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=9806 Seeker’s 5 phases of WILD post http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=30783 Billybob’s WILD guide http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=40684 Clarity’s WILD guide http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=35611 Gothlark’s WILD guide http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=28818 Blade5x’s WILD guide http://www.lucidcrossroads.co.uk/WILD.htm lucid crossroad's WILD guide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_d...ams_.28WILD.29 wikipedia's WILD guide http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lucid_D...echniques#WILD a couple of WILD techniques from wikibooks http://stason.org/TULARC/mind/lucid-...-techniqu.html long WILD technique from stason.org There is a couple ads at the top. just scroll down to find it. http://dreams.valasearch.com/lucid-dreaming/wild.html dreams.valasearch.com's WILD guide. http://zendreaming.blogspot.com/2004...tion-wild.html Great tutorial on WILD from Zendreaming.blogspot.com. I thought it was great anyway http://www.lucidity.com/SleepAndCognition.html It tells a little bit about WILDs but its more about lucid dreaming in general. http://members.tripod.com/~o45tu/dic.htm A dictionary of a lot of terms about dreaming. Almost nothing of WILD, but hey its cool. http://www.wikihow.com/Lucid-Dream A little lucid dream tutorial on wiki. Not much of WILD, but it has some good stuff http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1140450AAb0ryH A reader had a question about WILDs and someone wrote a pretty good response on how well i hope this has helped some of you out and maybe if this survives, we will have less "stuck on WILD" posts " .

[Spartiate]

Nice concise guide Freefire, good job !

[Elucive]

Freefire, I love you.

[Xyn]

Wow, helped alot. Thanks!

[bc8109]

excellent guide, and the links at the bottom are equally as helpful, if not more so! great work!

[FreeOne]

thanks for the replys Freefire, I love you. wow lol anyway, i just added a couple more URLs if you didnt notice. I will probably be updating this alot with more URLs and common questions.

[xdtimoxd]

2. What if you need to swallow? SWALLOW! everyone says "dont move or you will ruin everything!" but trying not to think about it is much worse! and forcing yourself to not itch is hell. It will put you off much worse than just getting it over with and swallowing! well when i feel like swallowing i will try not to care. but i will swallow auto.

[peppy]

Nice job freefire

[Überschall]

Nice job! It answered a lot of my questions. I will try and WILD tonight again, hopin' your answers here help me!

[Abra]

This is such an encouraging thread! I feel like trying again. I think I will!

[gavin]

thanks

[shaftmonkey]

im curious if any of you that have school have attempted a wbtb on a school night. I just dont know if i woul dbe tired or not.

[Kamikaze Spirit]

Thx for that, I tried a WILD this afternoon and got to the vibrations but then lost it and gave up. But with this help I'm going to try tonight and hopefully get some success.

[Alvarian]

Really great pointers and tips, freefire. I haven't been doing much lately probably after a disaster I had with WILD where I just couldn't fall asleep after I tried and stayed awake in bed for like 3 hours... although, I guess to be fair I wasn't WBTBing. But when I tried WBTB at first, like 2Fruits, I fell asleep in like 30 seconds after I woke up lol. And then my 4 AM alarm might wake up the other people in my house as well... ahh, I guess I'll try WBTB again, and if I get awesome results I'll stick to it :p

[FreeOne]

just a bump for the newbies. maybe it can help a few more people

[innerspacecadet]

Gotta wonder why this was never stickied or put into Tutorials. An hour or more to WILD? damn. That's sleep deprivation without the benefits of a WBTB! No wonder I've only done it during special spontaneous conditions where it only takes 5 minutes. I either give up after maybe 10 or 20 minutes, lose my concentration after that time, or stay awake the whole damn time and make myself cranky and frustrated and miserable. I want to figure out a way to make myself WILD that works and that doesn't make me feel robbed of sleep. It would probably be more reliable than waiting for myself to recognize dream signs in a DILD.

[pippo90]

I have trouble WAKing up from WBTB!!! Last night i set the alarm for 5 hours and I even remmeber my alarm going off, and then i guess i just shut it off, didnt even get up? Should i put my alarm somewhere, where i have to actually get up and turn it off?

[FreeOne]

I have trouble WAKing up from WBTB!!! Last night i set the alarm for 5 hours and I even remmeber my alarm going off, and then i guess i just shut it off, didnt even get up? Should i put my alarm somewhere, where i have to actually get up and turn it off? putting your alarm somewhere far away from you bed would help alot also try setting a 2nd alarm about 10 apart from the first one. So if you do fall asleep, that will re-wake you up.

[Pancaka]

THANKYOU!!!!!

[FreeOne]

you guys are probably going to get tired of me bumping this, but you're going to have to deal with it (jk) It hasnt been seen for awhile, and with all the WILD techniques in one post, its rather helpful for research. So heres the bump! now keep the topic alive this time!

[soadfreak2121]

Wow thanks a lot. This is one of the greatist WILD tutorials I've seen here!

[Dakunesu]

arigato gazaimasu FreeFire (sorry for spelling errors)

[FreeOne]

update! added about 5 links and a few more answered questions!

[ninja9578]

I disagree with number 3. I think that if you have an itch for no reason (other than the blanket tickling you) then it's your body testing you to see if you are asleep or not. If you move it will know that you're not asleep and hold off shutting itself down. Clairity taught me that.

[FreeOne]

I disagree with number 3. I think that if you have an itch for no reason (other than the blanket tickling you) then it's your body testing you to see if you are asleep or not. If you move it will know that you're not asleep and hold off shutting itself down. I wouldnt say the body is testing you, but true it will hold off shutting itself down. What i was saying was If its that constant wont go away itch, Its better to just scratch it. It always set me back further just trying to ignore somthing that is so annoying. I dont think the body is testing you to try and make you fail. Its just going to sleep. either come with it, or stay out of its way.