Thread: WILDING and HI... what does yours look like?

Shift, I'm fascinated by your description of your HI. Especailly with the orientation. It brings to mind so many things I've heard about left/right brain dominance, eye position during sleep, ect. I hope we get enough people describing their HI to draw some conclusions. This would make a great research project.

I am going to pay more specific attention to my HI, but off the top of my head, let me see what I can remember.

They sneak up on me. I always feel as if I am dropped into a scene that is already in progress. I feel like I have missed the beginning, and now I need to really focus to catch up on what the hell is going on. I will often get complete yet brief scenes with accompanying dialogue. When I am paying attention, I can recognize the HI, but as soon as I identify it, I lose it.

To put things straight, HI is the what you see when you have your eyes closed isn't it?

I assumed Shift was referring to the flashes of imagery you get while you are drifting off to sleep.

I guess people use the term HI loosely to refer to any of the hallucinations, dreamlets, and geometric patterns you get while falling asleep. Thats why I'm so interested. People say HI, but there are so many different kinds of HI. Sounds, tactile sensations, emotions. It would be cool to figure it all out.

If it's what you get whilst falling asleep, then I don't think I've experienced it. Can you only feel/see it after you go into SP? If so, then I've never seen or felt it.

Originally Posted by Jdeadevil

If it's what you get whilst falling asleep, then I don't think I've experienced it. Can you only feel/see it after you go into SP? If so, then I've never seen or felt it.

No, I always get it before SP, though SP isn't a requirement for WILDing, I'd guess I enter SP just as I'm going into the dream, though sometimes in the beginning if I move, or try too hard to move, Ill move in real life and wake myself up because of it.

I always get HI if I'm really really tired. Usually just images and stuff, but sometimes a dark room, or whatever.

I never have HI where its just like a picture as depicted in yours. They are always in my full view. Seems like it's always first person for me.

But isn't SP what you truly need in order to WILD unless you're really experienced?

Originally Posted by Jdeadevil

But isn't SP what you truly need in order to WILD unless you're really experienced?

Well I haven't experienced it like some people here have. I haven't experienced the whole "I can't move or do anything no matter how hard I try"

I have no idea why, but it probably happens, I just don't notice it. I'm sure I am in it during the WILD, since I can move my arms and everything, but sometimes I cant in the beginning of the WILD, so I float around until I can. Like I said earlier, sometimes when I try to move in the beginning of the WILD I can tell if I try too hard I'll really do it and wake up, and I have moved it and woken up a few times, if not more.

I'm pretty sure theres other people that either don't knowingly go through it before (like just not noticing it) or have had WILDs without noticing it, but do sometimes.

Originally Posted by Jdeadevil

If it's what you get whilst falling asleep, then I don't think I've experienced it. Can you only feel/see it after you go into SP? If so, then I've never seen or felt it.

No, I have never successfully WILDed. I have gotten as far as vibrations and etc., what you would call the entrance to SP, and I always experience the hallucinations before that point. I experience them after just laying in bed relaxing, not even while consciously trying to WILD or anything. Usually (probably this is why I fail), when I start feeling my muscles jerking and vibrating, all I see is black because I am too concentrated on my physical body. I guess I need to continue to focus on other things to let go of my physical body and enter sleep/dreaming. Hmm, that's a good revelation from this topic!

I have gotten as far as vibrations and etc., what you would call the entrance to SP, and I always experience the hallucinations before that point. I experience them after just laying in bed relaxing, not even while consciously trying to WILD or anything. Usually (probably this is why I fail), when I start feeling my muscles jerking and vibrating, all I see is black because I am too concentrated on my physical body. I guess I need to continue to focus on other things to let go of my physical body and enter sleep/dreaming.

This is exactly what i feel. What i don't know is how if you try and concentrate on the HI and I just get to understand what it is before it disappears is how do you enter a WILD from there? Thanks for explaining it like that Shift i was trying to before.

Originally Posted by Tom187

This is exactly what i feel. What i don't know is how if you try and concentrate on the HI and I just get to understand what it is before it disappears is how do you enter a WILD from there? Thanks for explaining it like that Shift i was trying to before.

I've never successfully WILDed, but from everything I've read you've just got to remain calm, and keep letting the images come to you. I guess they start become more and more realistic and encompassing, and eventually they form the reality not that you are seeing in your "mind", but that you exist in, at which point you enter the dream.

Although the other night I did get to the point where something was pulling me out of my body through my feet. That was incredibly weird. I guess if I hadn't panicked it would have been a true WILD into my bedroom, which sounds so trippy. Unfortunately I freaked out and woke myself up

Anyway like I said in the very first post, I feel like WILDing is probably like the scene in The Picture in the Bedroom of The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, a book in the Narnia series by C.S. Lewis. It's my favorite of the series, but I don't have it here at school. Basically some children are looking at a painting of a ship at sea, and it starts becoming more and more realistic, until they find themselves very small, standing on the edge of the picture frame above the scene, and then a wave comes up, knocking them into the painting. I swear, C.S. Lewis must've invented the technique! You know what I mean, if you've read it!

**http://books.narnia.com/chronicles/b...n_treader.html there we go. Read that page, and the beginning of the next. When I read about WILDing, that's what I think about for some reason They'll be turning it into a movie in 2010, I'm pretty excited to see how this scene is done!

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

Shift, I'm fascinated by your description of your HI. Especailly with the orientation. It brings to mind so many things I've heard about left/right brain dominance, eye position during sleep, ect. I hope we get enough people describing their HI to draw some conclusions. This would make a great research project.

When I am paying attention, I can recognize the HI, but as soon as I identify it, I lose it.

Exactly, I think it is such an interesting concept/topic! I would love to form some sort of survey and figure this out, and I agree: everyone please post some input so we can get an idea of this phenomenon!

My HI/HS usually appear as I am laying in bed, relaxing, and thinking from thought to thought while trying not to concentrate on anything at all. Mixed in between my conscious, relevant thoughts will be random, completely unrelated images. My consciousness will try to focus on it more, and it will disappear, but not before I get some clear concept of what it was (in the case of the girl on the beach, that image is basically exactly what I saw, then it disappeared... the girl was standing at a different angle, but that's the only difference.)

I guess people use the term HI loosely to refer to any of the hallucinations, dreamlets, and geometric patterns you get while falling asleep. Thats why I'm so interested. People say HI, but there are so many different kinds of HI. Sounds, tactile sensations, emotions. It would be cool to figure it all out.

Yes, that's true. When I say HI, I mean those images, like photographs, that I keep mentioning. When I say HS, I mean auditory hallucinations, things that I hear that sound just as though they were happening in real life. I've only experience snippets of conversation though, no other types of audio. And I've never felt, tasted, or smelled anything. (HT=taste, HF=feeling, HO=odor???) I guess "Hypnagogia" refers to them as a group.