Thread: Consistent WILDs through hard-work

this is a very nice tutorial i have one question though did you get close in your "true desire to be able to WILD essentially anytime" I mean i know that you can't just be standing there in the middle of a burger king and say 'hey i feel like beating up that creapy king guy' and wild in the ball pit but when you use your technique like how often do you use it, whats your success rate, those kinds of things

Originally Posted by Futura

Thanks so much for the help! im trying this tonight.

it just occured to me that this is a tutorial about hard work and practicing over a period of time how are you going to try it tonight. lol

Well i will try it everynight until i get it

This guide is amazing, there is detail. I am going to try this tonight. If this works, then it will be my first WILD.

Originally Posted by randomdreamer

this is a very nice tutorial i have one question though did you get close in your "true desire to be able to WILD essentially anytime" I mean i know that you can't just be standing there in the middle of a burger king and say 'hey i feel like beating up that creapy king guy' and wild in the ball pit but when you use your technique like how often do you use it, whats your success rate, those kinds of things

i had heard in the past that it wasn't really possible to WILD unless you had already had a few sleep cycles. this was somewhat corroborated by what i had read about physiological sleep--that initially you go into a period of deep, dreamless sleep. it was also corroborated by the fact that everyone always talks about WILDs in a WBTB context. but i found this to be unacceptable, and wanted to be able to just lie down at any time of day, and be able to WILD, and it turns out it's very possible. WBTB is a huge advantage, because you don't have to work hard at the relaxation--it's already there for you. this method, with enough patience and dedication, will yield a near 100% success rate. there are times when i don't succeed, but that is generally because i have accidentally fallen asleep, or i am interrupted by someone/something. sometimes it can take up to two hours of lying in one place to actually get to the level of relaxation needed, but that it is typically the worst-case scenario.

i do this as much as i possibly can, because i am also experimenting with the possibilities of astral projection, which apparently use almost exactly the same technique. some days i have too much going on in 'real' life, and am unable to...but i typically combine it in with my daily meditation practice (i.e. 10-20 minutes breath awareness, 30 minutes body awareness, body relaxation + breath awareness for as long as necessary, WILD).

I wish I had found this guide earlier. I was attempting to WILD last night, and I had all these sensations, felt like I was going to sufficate so I woke myself up, then I tried again and was going deeper but I was really unsure what to expect next so I woke up once again, heh. I kept getting relaxed and my eyes would slip open unintentionally, that was odd.

I'm going to try again tonight now that I have some knowledge on it

By the way, is it normal to start feeling sensations early on? I'd estimate I start getting them after 5 minutes, 10 tops.

Originally Posted by Njd1990

By the way, is it normal to start feeling sensations early on? I'd estimate I start getting them after 5 minutes, 10 tops.

yup, some people are lucky this way. it happens to me really fast occasionally as well...usually depends on how fatigued my body is. after a day of long/intense muay thai conditioning i can usually do it much faster.

hey last night i tryed to wild, and i got distracted like im not supposed to but when i realize what i was supposed to do i felt all weird and i put my finger through my hand but then i just woke myself up... what do i do to get past this point?

Hi,
I recently had a WILD straight from going to bed. It took a few tries, but I got there.
I must say be warned..I had a scary false awakening to start my Lucid..and I kept looking at my alarm clock which had red digits or was not there at all. (It has blue digits).
This led me to get up and out of the room to a new place to continue a long lucid.
Basically i want to try this procedure too, as regular WILDs are not that regular. Hehe.

Originally Posted by Njd1990

I wish I had found this guide earlier. I was attempting to WILD last night, and I had all these sensations, felt like I was going to sufficate so I woke myself up, then I tried again and was going deeper but I was really unsure what to expect next so I woke up once again, heh. I kept getting relaxed and my eyes would slip open unintentionally, that was odd.

I'm going to try again tonight now that I have some knowledge on it

By the way, is it normal to start feeling sensations early on? I'd estimate I start getting them after 5 minutes, 10 tops.

When I try to WILD, I use the reverse-blinking method and I get vibrations very quickly. Quick as in, about 20-30 seconds. Only gotten HI once or twice though, mainly because the first time I had this guy from some horror film whispering in my ear telling me how he was going to murder me, and the second time it was just screaming. Scared to get HI now ^^

I tried this last night for the first time and it actually worked too! Unfortunately the moment I stepped into my dream my father was finding my stash (in my dream) and it frightened me, and I came back to my room in waking life. Maybe next time I try this it will be a peaceful scene

Great article. I will make a point of re-reading this a few times to fix it in my mind.

I am just starting to get back in to lucid dreaming. I have only ever had one WILD and loved it!!!

Rather than roll out of my body, I found the images in my mind formed a detailed landscape. I then slowly felt the sensation of the bed touching my body entirely disappear as it was replaced by the sensation of being in my dream landscape. Just the feeling of that transition between the real and dream world was fantastic.

I am planning to work on this most days now. I find the concentration and getting to alternating sensations of tingling, feeling really heavy then floating and distorting etc all easy enough but that's where I seem to get stuck for ages. Fortunately I enjoy the feeling. Reading your other posts it sounds like I have been giving up too quickly. I will follow your advice of rolling my eyes back in my head also.

Thanks for the article

This seems like a pretty great tutorial. Thanks very much.

I'm very new to all this and while doing WILD I've yet to get over the hump and just relax.

I'll try this tonight.

Here's a tip of how to get an idea of the roll over feeling Octopus was trying to describe.
If you are sitting at your PC or laptop, stay completely still for this exercise.
Now to start with your hands and arms should be still too (frozen).
Look at you hand or arm and remember what it looks like. Close your eyes and without moving...picture your hand or arm moving (anyway you choose) up and down for example, but don't actually move it.
Keep looking at your hand and arm off and on if you can't picture it at first and get the mental feeling and image in your head of it moving. It feels kinda cool when you get it right.
Once you feel you have this accomplished, do this....
Sit completely still in your chair again...and imagine in the same way your whole upper torso twisting at the hip to the side (say at 90 degrees (half twist)).
Now twist in your mind and don't move. These are the same visuals you use at the start of dreams to move about.
If you can accomplish this...then try in bed tonite when the time arises to roll into your dream.
Hope this aids Octopus' tut. Let me know if it helped.

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Here's a tip of how to get an idea of the roll over feeling Octopus was trying to describe.
If you are sitting at your PC or laptop, stay completely still for this exercise.
Now to start with your hands and arms should be still too (frozen).
Look at you hand or arm and remember what it looks like. Close your eyes and without moving...picture your hand or arm moving (anyway you choose) up and down for example, but don't actually move it.
Keep looking at your hand and arm off and on if you can't picture it at first and get the mental feeling and image in your head of it moving. It feels kinda cool when you get it right.
Once you feel you have this accomplished, do this....
Sit completely still in your chair again...and imagine in the same way your whole upper torso twisting at the hip to the side (say at 90 degrees (half twist)).
Now twist in your mind and don't move. These are the same visuals you use at the start of dreams to move about.
If you can accomplish this...then try in bed tonite when the time arises to roll into your dream.
Hope this aids Octopus' tut. Let me know if it helped.

nice, excellent tip.

Originally Posted by randomdreamer

this is a very nice tutorial i have one question though did you get close in your "true desire to be able to WILD essentially anytime" I mean i know that you can't just be standing there in the middle of a burger king and say 'hey i feel like beating up that creapy king guy' and wild in the ball pit but when you use your technique like how often do you use it, whats your success rate, those kinds of things

BWHAAHAHHAHHA!!!!

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ead.php?t=8534

Is this the 61-point relaxation technique you refer to? (It's a good read, regardless)

Very well written. I'm gonna try to have my first WILD tonight (again...)

I've been working on WILDing after reading this guide about a week ago. Right now I can get to the point where I feel the tingling in my hands and legs as well as an out of body sort of feeling, but it hasn't gotten past this point. One of the issues is that when I roll my eyes in the back of my head, or even look up, they start twitching.. a lot. I can handle this feeling for a few minutes, and sink deeper into SP, but at some point it just becomes too distracting and I have to open my eyes. I'm quite happy with my progress so far, but does anyone have any suggestions to help counter this problem?

Originally Posted by Hamell

I've been working on WILDing after reading this guide about a week ago. Right now I can get to the point where I feel the tingling in my hands and legs as well as an out of body sort of feeling, but it hasn't gotten past this point. One of the issues is that when I roll my eyes in the back of my head, or even look up, they start twitching.. a lot. I can handle this feeling for a few minutes, and sink deeper into SP, but at some point it just becomes too distracting and I have to open my eyes. I'm quite happy with my progress so far, but does anyone have any suggestions to help counter this problem?

this is common, and happens to me as well. in one place i've read that it is the beginning of REM, but i'm not sure whether or not that is true. in any event, it seems like if you 'let' it happen instead of fighting against it, you'll usually stop noticing it. when the eye movement begins you are nearing the ejection point. pretty much in every situation where you are encountering difficulty, the answer is to relax (unless the problem is that you keep falling asleep!)

Yeah I too considered the possiblity of it being the beginning of REM, but I think it might be a muscular thing instead. In which case, relaxing and not trying too hard will probably do the trick. Thanks!

I am trying this every day too. I keep getting to a point where my heart feels like it is beating faster and harder, I feel hot and my breathing becomes deeper. I feel as though I am on the brink and I am not worried about the feeling and try to relax. I think 1 of 2 things may be stopping me progressing and would appreciate your advice:

1) The heavy breathing may be my subconscious way of fighting off going in to full SP. I.e. I am forcing myself to get more oxygen and waking myself back up.

Or

2) I am worrying that my breathing is going to cause me to fail and therefore thinking too much about my breathing and convincing myself that it's not going to work.

Should I try to slow my breathing or make it more shallow? This would take quite a bit of concious effort. Or is it OK for me to just go with it and allow my breath to become as heavy as it wants to?

Thanks

Originally Posted by Jumbli

I am trying this every day too. I keep getting to a point where my heart feels like it is beating faster and harder, I feel hot and my breathing becomes deeper. I feel as though I am on the brink and I am not worried about the feeling and try to relax. I think 1 of 2 things may be stopping me progressing and would appreciate your advice:

1) The heavy breathing may be my subconscious way of fighting off going in to full SP. I.e. I am forcing myself to get more oxygen and waking myself back up.

Or

2) I am worrying that my breathing is going to cause me to fail and therefore thinking too much about my breathing and convincing myself that it's not going to work.

Should I try to slow my breathing or make it more shallow? This would take quite a bit of concious effort. Or is it OK for me to just go with it and allow my breath to become as heavy as it wants to?

Thanks

this was the main obstacle for myself as well--the funny thing about it, is that it's totally an illusion. it's the same as the heatbeat. physically, nothing is changing--your heart feels like it's pounding away quickly, but it's going at the same speed; and your breathing will feel strange or labored, but it's no different either. the only way i was able to get beyond this point was by focusing my attention on the sleep paralysis sensations and allowing the breathing to continue automatically. it's not easy, and i only managed to start succeeding after a lot of the aforementioned concentration practice.

Thanks for replying. You have put my mind at rest. I look forward to seeing what happens tomorrow.