Thread: Consistent WILDs through hard-work

When I first started out on this forum, I accidentally happened upon WILDs a couple of times and became quickly convinced that this was THE way to lucid dream. It's always nice accidentally 'waking up' in a dream, but I prefer to leave as little to chance as possible. I was always confounded by various problems in trying to WILD without having woken up in the middle of the night--my true desire was to be able to WILD essentially anytime. I eventually sort of gave up and moved on to other related pursuits, and then accidentally came upon a methodology that results in consistent, volitional WILDs.

The first step to success is understanding what you are ultimately aiming for, in terms of the condition of your body and mind at the moment of WILD. To enter into a lucid dream from waking consciousness, your body must be physiologically asleep, while your consciousness is awake. This is pretty obvious, but the question remains, "how does one reach this point?"

Sit some place relatively quiet, in a comfortable position, and focus all of your attention on the feeling of breath going into your nostrils, and then back out of your nostrils. Think about nothing else. If you are like I was when I first started this exercise, you will be unable to focus for even twenty seconds without some distracting thought, song lyric, memory, reminder, etc popping into your head. This ability, to focus your mind, is the single most important skill for lucid dreaming, WILD, and probably life in general. To succeed with my method, you have to practice this EVERY day for at least five minutes. When you realize that your mind is straying simply stop thinking about whatever distraction your mind is on, and return to your nostrils. This will probably be frustrating, and it will take a while to feel like you are making progress, but even being able to concentrate for a single minute without being distracted is quite a feat. Once you are able to hold your concentration for one to two minutes, you are probably at the point where you can succeed at volitional WILD, although the stronger your concentration power, the easier it will be.

Once you have worked on this skill, it is time to put it into practice. Consuming caffeine, alcohol, or certain prescription drugs within 24 hours of your attempt will make it nearly impossible. THC is very unstable--it WILL decrease the time it takes for your body to fall asleep, but it can be very hard to maintain consciousness or concentration. I recommend at least 24 hours of purity. I haven't noticed much difference with foods, but I also try to avoid refined sugars as much as possible in general.

Lie down in a comfortable position. I've only had luck on my back, although you may want to experiment with different positions. It's important to be comfortable, but if you do this in your bed, you may find yourself falling asleep too easily (due to our sleep-bed-conditioning). The following instructions are based on the concept of trance-meditation, so if you are familiar with that, do what you normally do. Otherwise, relax all of your body sequentially. There used to be a guide for 61 point relaxation on here, I don't know if it still exists, but this process is pretty self-explanatory: try to single out each muscle group and purposefully relax it, trying to remove as much muscle tone as is possible while conscious. When you have done this, focus on your breathing for a while to further your relaxation. Don't worry too much if you have irrelevant thoughts invading your mind, just make sure that you stay in control and don't get carried away with them. This is why you practiced the breath awareness.

From this fully relaxed position, you need to begin tricking your body into falling asleep. This can be done several ways. Roll your eyes back in your head and keep them there, allow muscles to occasionally tick or spasm and try to feel yourself sinking backwards and downwards. Eventually you'll begin to feel a kind of tickling energetic sensation in your extremities. Try to focus on this sensation, and the feeling of it spreading up towards your torso. This is the pre-cursor to sleep paralysis.

As this feeling spreads to your torso it will become more intense. It may feel as if though your heart is beginning to race, and you may feel suddenly very hot or very cold, and it may feel as if though you cannot breathe. All of this completely normal, and totally illusory. These symptoms of oncoming sleep paralysis were what caused me so much difficulty initially. I was dreadfully afraid of asphyxiating and would wake myself out of it every time. Concentrate on the feeling of energy throughout your body, allow your heart to race (even though it's beating at its regular rate, or a bit faster due to your excitement), continue breathing normally even if it seems to feel labored, and notice the very strange, psychedelic closed-eye imagery that comes on. It is common to lose it at this point and wake yourself out of it. It is this stage that most people describe as 'vibrations'. The vibrations can be felt as a kind of buzzing, or even shaking, or nothing at all. It's also common to hear wooshing, intensely loud tones, or even voices. The first few times it may be jarring, but you'll quickly get used to it, and probably even come to enjoy it.

The hardest part is actually getting beyond this point. If you are able to maintain your composure through this stage, you may feel like your body is suddenly detached, weightless and floating slowly upwards. This indicates that your body is asleep and you are very close to success. Relax into this sensation--it is very pleasant. It is similar to the feeling of floating in salt water. It is very important to be relaxed at this stage, because it is quite unstable. From here, one can do one of several things. I am used to the rolling-over motion, so i 'feel' myself rolling to the side and consequently "out of my body". The idea is basically to 'move' yourself into the dream from this floating kind of suspension. This is a different kind of movement than with the physical body, because it does not involve muscles, but rather a kind of 'willing'. I can't, unfortunately, describe this properly, because there don't exist the necessary words--however, if you have had lucid dreams before, it is the exact same kind of 'will' that is required to fly, shoot fireballs, or do any of the impossible things that you do in a lucid dream.

If done properly, you will find yourself in a dreamscape. Be careful opening your eyes, as I typically find that that action causes my physical eyes to open as well, resulting in a blurry kind of double vision. To fix this, I close my eyes and focus on the sensation of rubbing my hands together, exactly as I would to solidify a lucid dream.

I have recently been experimenting with so-called astral projection, using this technique exactly, but I have yet to come upon any conclusive results. Much of this technique is similar to Robert Bruce's 'NEW' system, which I highly recommend to anyone who is able to get past the initial impression that he is another new-age charlatan dunderhead (he's not, actually). He goes into far more detail about how to stimulate yourself while in trance to make it much easier to succeed.

If you have any questions, or want further clarification, I'd be happy to offer what knowledge I have. Hope this helps someone!

I think this was the most helpful WILD tutorial I've read so far! I'm going to try it tonight.

That was a great tutorial. Amazing stuff. Thanks a lot.

Great tutorial, most WILD guides are incredibly vague and unclear on the specifics, but this one isn\'t - it\'s descriptive and offers some great explanations. Kudos.

Have you had success with this in a non-WBTB?

I like the way this is wrote out. I would recommend you submit it to the Tutorials section (PM an Admin and ask).

This sounds like it has potential. I can reach the Vibrations easy enough, so I'm thinking this will be easy enough to accomplish.

With me, the Vibrational stage seems to be light vibrations, but with me, I feel like my whole body is spinning around in circles, and at times, falling through my bed.

At one point, I actually successfully WILDed through "falling". I was laying there, trying to wild, and felt myself falling, and "fell" between my bed and the wall, and without even thinking, crawled back into bed, and continued to try to wild. It was at that point, I realized what had actually happened. I already wilded. I tried to get out of bed, but just woke up .

So, to those trying to WILD, pay very careful attention during the Vibrations and Falling sensations and stuff like that, as it can be very easy to miss the cue like I did.

Hey mongreloctopus, nice tut! It's really helpful. Just one question though, how long did you practice concentrating? A month? Week? Did you work on clearing your mind multiple times a day?

this is a very nice tutorial i have one question though did you get close in your "true desire to be able to WILD essentially anytime" I mean i know that you can't just be standing there in the middle of a burger king and say 'hey i feel like beating up that creapy king guy' and wild in the ball pit but when you use your technique like how often do you use it, whats your success rate, those kinds of things

Originally Posted by randomdreamer

this is a very nice tutorial i have one question though did you get close in your "true desire to be able to WILD essentially anytime" I mean i know that you can't just be standing there in the middle of a burger king and say 'hey i feel like beating up that creapy king guy' and wild in the ball pit but when you use your technique like how often do you use it, whats your success rate, those kinds of things

i had heard in the past that it wasn't really possible to WILD unless you had already had a few sleep cycles. this was somewhat corroborated by what i had read about physiological sleep--that initially you go into a period of deep, dreamless sleep. it was also corroborated by the fact that everyone always talks about WILDs in a WBTB context. but i found this to be unacceptable, and wanted to be able to just lie down at any time of day, and be able to WILD, and it turns out it's very possible. WBTB is a huge advantage, because you don't have to work hard at the relaxation--it's already there for you. this method, with enough patience and dedication, will yield a near 100% success rate. there are times when i don't succeed, but that is generally because i have accidentally fallen asleep, or i am interrupted by someone/something. sometimes it can take up to two hours of lying in one place to actually get to the level of relaxation needed, but that it is typically the worst-case scenario.

i do this as much as i possibly can, because i am also experimenting with the possibilities of astral projection, which apparently use almost exactly the same technique. some days i have too much going on in 'real' life, and am unable to...but i typically combine it in with my daily meditation practice (i.e. 10-20 minutes breath awareness, 30 minutes body awareness, body relaxation + breath awareness for as long as necessary, WILD).

I wish I had found this guide earlier. I was attempting to WILD last night, and I had all these sensations, felt like I was going to sufficate so I woke myself up, then I tried again and was going deeper but I was really unsure what to expect next so I woke up once again, heh. I kept getting relaxed and my eyes would slip open unintentionally, that was odd.

I'm going to try again tonight now that I have some knowledge on it

By the way, is it normal to start feeling sensations early on? I'd estimate I start getting them after 5 minutes, 10 tops.

Originally Posted by Njd1990

By the way, is it normal to start feeling sensations early on? I'd estimate I start getting them after 5 minutes, 10 tops.

yup, some people are lucky this way. it happens to me really fast occasionally as well...usually depends on how fatigued my body is. after a day of long/intense muay thai conditioning i can usually do it much faster.

hey last night i tryed to wild, and i got distracted like im not supposed to but when i realize what i was supposed to do i felt all weird and i put my finger through my hand but then i just woke myself up... what do i do to get past this point?

Originally Posted by Njd1990

I wish I had found this guide earlier. I was attempting to WILD last night, and I had all these sensations, felt like I was going to sufficate so I woke myself up, then I tried again and was going deeper but I was really unsure what to expect next so I woke up once again, heh. I kept getting relaxed and my eyes would slip open unintentionally, that was odd.

I'm going to try again tonight now that I have some knowledge on it

By the way, is it normal to start feeling sensations early on? I'd estimate I start getting them after 5 minutes, 10 tops.

When I try to WILD, I use the reverse-blinking method and I get vibrations very quickly. Quick as in, about 20-30 seconds. Only gotten HI once or twice though, mainly because the first time I had this guy from some horror film whispering in my ear telling me how he was going to murder me, and the second time it was just screaming. Scared to get HI now ^^

Originally Posted by randomdreamer

this is a very nice tutorial i have one question though did you get close in your "true desire to be able to WILD essentially anytime" I mean i know that you can't just be standing there in the middle of a burger king and say 'hey i feel like beating up that creapy king guy' and wild in the ball pit but when you use your technique like how often do you use it, whats your success rate, those kinds of things

BWHAAHAHHAHHA!!!!

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ead.php?t=8534

Is this the 61-point relaxation technique you refer to? (It's a good read, regardless)

Very well written. I'm gonna try to have my first WILD tonight (again...)

I've been working on WILDing after reading this guide about a week ago. Right now I can get to the point where I feel the tingling in my hands and legs as well as an out of body sort of feeling, but it hasn't gotten past this point. One of the issues is that when I roll my eyes in the back of my head, or even look up, they start twitching.. a lot. I can handle this feeling for a few minutes, and sink deeper into SP, but at some point it just becomes too distracting and I have to open my eyes. I'm quite happy with my progress so far, but does anyone have any suggestions to help counter this problem?

Originally Posted by Hamell

I've been working on WILDing after reading this guide about a week ago. Right now I can get to the point where I feel the tingling in my hands and legs as well as an out of body sort of feeling, but it hasn't gotten past this point. One of the issues is that when I roll my eyes in the back of my head, or even look up, they start twitching.. a lot. I can handle this feeling for a few minutes, and sink deeper into SP, but at some point it just becomes too distracting and I have to open my eyes. I'm quite happy with my progress so far, but does anyone have any suggestions to help counter this problem?

this is common, and happens to me as well. in one place i've read that it is the beginning of REM, but i'm not sure whether or not that is true. in any event, it seems like if you 'let' it happen instead of fighting against it, you'll usually stop noticing it. when the eye movement begins you are nearing the ejection point. pretty much in every situation where you are encountering difficulty, the answer is to relax (unless the problem is that you keep falling asleep!)

Yeah I too considered the possiblity of it being the beginning of REM, but I think it might be a muscular thing instead. In which case, relaxing and not trying too hard will probably do the trick. Thanks!

I can't make it past the illusion of suffocating! Also how long is that supposed to last?


Great guide though.

i find that breath-concentration is extermely easy, and i've only tried it for a day. is this normal?

This still requires WBTB, right?

Originally Posted by TheModernNinja

This still requires WBTB, right?

Dude, this thread was posted in 2008, be lucky to get a response, try not to dig up old threads. Nevertheless its a good guide, and yes it would require wbtb.