Thread: How to WILD

Not a bad read.. glad to see more and more people take this kind of approach to WILDing and lucid dreaming in general. So many misconceptions out there at the moment that make this seem either impossible or extremely difficult.

While I agree that WILDs are not a generic experience where you progressively pass through all the precursors (SP/HI/etc) followed by entry into a dream.. I do not know if comparing it to a theory on the early hunting era is quite the right direction to go . Dont get me wrong; its simplified and will make it understandable to more people so kudos to that. I just feel like there's a lot more to it then subconsciously using something we picked up millions of years ago.

Personally I believe most of the problems people face are recently attained; they are simply mental blocks people have built up due to the lack on concrete evidence. Quite frankly lucid dreaming is not an exact science yet and people are comparing this newly acquired false information up against nothing. A new person might read an invalid post and take it as fact because they don't know any better. I think people need to kind of learn these things on their own if they really want to get a firm grasp how things are done. Dont get me wrong I would not be where I am today if it wasn't for the diversity of information available. The last thing I want to do is tell people to stop posting ideas. I just feel as though the readers need to take the position of an observer; not a protégé of the poster. Absorb the information but simply use it as an assistant in your bag of tools.

Like you explain in the tutorial its just a matter of getting out of that frame of mind; well surely if you can break down that barrier you can build one up just as easily. It seems much more plausible to me that with a consistent feed of "misguided" information (Not wrong; just not right as a whole) people are bound to take these things to be true because someone with a higher post count said so. Its easy to see why everyone is stuck in this frame of mind when 90% of people say these things are necessary to succeed.

Thats not to say everyone else is wrong and I am right its just that I think most beginners are stuck in rut because they are trying a "fool-proof" method posted by Jimmy with no success. This fails and they give up. Or perhaps they go into a WILD expecting the same thing that User234 posted; they are sitting and waiting and waiting for SP/HI which is preventing them for progressing or learning more about the experience in general because they are caught up on something that doesn't matter for them.

Pain stimulated anchors may be quite effective for some; but I have to say it will probably no more different then focusing on HI/tactile/breathing/etc for many people. I feel like you have the right idea down which is whats really important; but that final step is just another personalized successful tool. This is what makes or breaks the technique; if you overlook or miss your anchor its no different then any other night. So again I want to remind people that pain isn't going to guarantee lucidity; for some it may be to much (Stay awake) or some to little (Pass out). Defiantly try it out; but keep in mind its not the only method out there.

Either way. your post should most defiantly help people take a step back and re approach WILDs from a different direction; hopefully one that works for them. At the end of the day I feel like anyone who is having problems with WILDing need to forget everything they know and just go into it with an open mind, ready to experience something new. Thanks for the post BillyBob

I just got back from work and just read the whole tut....

I have only one thing to say to you.....

YOU FUCKER =O That makes perfect fucking sense. Right when I read the line showing that we would have a biological deterrent to entering REM when we are aware and watching all the pieces suddenly flew together. I agree with that message wholeheartedly. How in the world did that idea spark? You must have felt so good when you came to the realization.... Anyhow, I'm gonna let all the consequences of it sink in before I write anything about what it might mean...

I feel that you left part of it out as well, however. An anchor might be helpful but you still need a "destination". Going to sleep with a slight pain isn't going to instantly spring you a lucid. It needs a bit of prodding... not that you try to pursue with vigor, that obviously is ineffective. Rather, to try and explain it through a general "feeling"... You want to try and walk towards a target nonchalantly and backwards. You don't see where you're going but you don't really care and you never turn around to see. It really comes down to a test of confidence. This is where many techs have helpful little pointers. My personnel direction is springing some visualization and seeing where that leads me. Can you think of anything you do to prod yourself into a lucid? I know that my visualization was automatic (and I never noticed it) until I started analyzing it.

That being said, I have a favorite little anchor I just realized I use... When I wake up and want to just go right back into a lucid I often just put my head off the pillow. I never knew why I did that.... I never even connected it to lucids =P I also sleep with my hand under my pillows a lot even though its slightly uncomfortable.

Hi Billy...

You always seems to be a step ahead before dreamviews. Still this forum is starting to recognize, that simply beeing awake doesnt mean to be aware on its own too. There are many techniques written about the topic of WILD but in recent time I found out, that there are some people, who actually tell simple truth. But to be honest. Finding such an information is often as hard as digging deep into all of the topics here.

Years of your experiences accumulated into this tutorial. Interesting about it is its simplicity. Becouse WILD is something simple, it is all about respecting what is determined from past. May this tutorial stop the wave of WILD techniques and initiate discussions about what WILD really is.

Its good you returned. There is a lot to be discussed

That pain technique is not "the way to WILD." It is just an example of how to use an anchor to keep your consciousness up.

Other anchors could be anything:

• Passively noticing your breathing
• Turn on some white noise
• Make the room colder/hotter than usual
• Buy something that vibrates and tie it to your leg/let it vibrate there as you fall asleep.

The reason I used pain as an example is because even the person that has almost zero willpower will be able to hold onto it as they slowly drift off.


The pain method will NOT work for everyone. As someone in this thread mentioned, some people have a low tolerance for pain and will not be able to properly fall asleep due to it clouding the forefronts of their mind's (much like normal 'long' WILD methods do with breathing/etc).

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There were two things I wanted you guys to take out of this tutorial:
the five step process.

1. Sleep beforehand
2. Get up for a little while
3. Calm your body/mind
4. Use an anchor
5. Fall asleep

And a deeper understanding of the underlying mechanics of "WILD."

If pain doesn't seem to work for you, try low volume white noise. If that doesn't work, use your breathing.
With any anchor you use, use it passively.

Originally Posted by BillyBob

That pain technique is not "the way to WILD." It is just an example of how to use an anchor to keep your consciousness up.

Other anchors could be anything:

• Passively noticing your breathing
• Turn on some white noise
• Make the room colder/hotter than usual
• Buy something that vibrates and tie it to your leg/let it vibrate there as you fall asleep.

The reason I used pain as an example is because even the person that has almost zero willpower will be able to hold onto it as they slowly drift off.


The pain method will NOT work for everyone. As someone in this thread mentioned, some people have a low tolerance for pain and will not be able to properly fall asleep due to it clouding the forefronts of their mind's (much like normal 'long' WILD methods do with breathing/etc).

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There were two things I wanted you guys to take out of this tutorial:
the five step process.

1. Sleep beforehand
2. Get up for a little while
3. Calm your body/mind
4. Use an anchor
5. Fall asleep

And a deeper understanding of the underlying mechanics of "WILD."

If pain doesn't seem to work for you, try low volume white noise. If that doesn't work, use your breathing.
With any anchor you use, use it passively.

I like the way, how you keep things modular. Thats cool, becouse only now, as we see the generalization, we may create our own modules within the process of wild.

Could you please help me, answering something? There are techniques, which require mental action from one performing them. Such as visualization techniques. As they work for some people, is it becouse they are performing the visualization passively?

I have read about many people, who simply create a scene in their head and move directly into that scene. I think I am understanding something wrong. Could you please tell me your opinion on this? Thx.

I will look into this

I tried last night. I got up after maybe 4 hours of sleep and went to the rest room. After a minute I want back to bed with my leg under my other leg. I found concentrating on somthing internal like pain hard and got nowhere. I figured out pain is not a good anchor for me, I may try a ticking clock. Good idea; is that a common anchor?