Thread: How to WILD

Hey shady.
I realize that you are probably just trying to help, but could you stop posting your ideas about WILD in here? This tutorial is purposefully vague in some areas. I've written it in a way that will allow people to learn the intricacies of WILD through experience.

If you do what I've said in the tutorial. ie.

1. sleep
2. wake
3. relax
4. use anchor
5. fall asleep

Then you can easily have WILDs. Once you have WILDs you will begin to formulate your own ideas about how WILD works/etc. Rather than just listening to our biases and accepting them as total fact (everyone has biases, we're only human).
I don't want to be an ass, but I wrote the tutorial this way for a reason. I've "taught" upwards of twenty people about WILD one on one. So I have some theories on what works and what doesn't.

I most defiantly am trying to help; but I will stop posting in the thread from here on out.

Im just tired of seeing multiple tutorials saying the same thing over and over and over; that don't clear up or at least address the actual problems that people are constantly posting about. No one needs another post explaining that WBTBs are important along with some sort of anchor. I can link 50 posts that do that, and that do it better.

I feel like if your going to post a method you should do that. In case you didn't notice there's already a couple threads asking questions about your thread; also claiming this discoveries as new material and really that just showcases how oblivious some people are due the the lack of at least back up information behind many tutorials.

If you would like to post ways for new people to lucid dreaming to fall ass-backward into lucidity without any idea of whats going on; feel free to do so. When it doesn't work for 95% of the people; I (Along with many many others on the forums) will be here to answer the constant flood of questions asking the same question over and over because it is not clarified in the "Guide to lucid dreaming". Your "theory" on the whole evolution doesn't really apply to today, is full of loopholes, and is nothing more then noise that sounds good. It'd be awfully convenient if that hypothetical trait was still in full force millions of years later when conditions have changed exponentially. And not to mention at the end of the day your contradicting yourself by the time you reach the end of the post. If you were more open minded you might understand that monitoring or noticing the pain increasing as you drift off to sleep is no different then thinking about anything else (Which according to you makes it impossible to fall asleep).

[B]You haven't taught described how to lucid dream; you have described how to fall asleep uncomfortably. You have also said this has produced lucid dreams for you. That's about it. The majority of the people who have taken this thread as a "godsend" see it as such because it does the same thing most other tutorials so. It apparently gets you something for nothing; get out of that mindset and you might see some real success in lucid dreaming. The underlying process is incredibly simple yes; executing it is another thing.

Disappointed in you man; was hoping to see some fresh; useful content from an experienced lucid dreamer like yourself. Im sorry for criticizing you for posting the same thing that has been said 500 times before (and at least twice by yourself). If you would like to take the time to point out how this is any different; or how it will help people "better understand the inner-workings of a WILD take the 5 minutes and PM me and I'll gladly delete everything I've said. Until then; keep feeding the obliviousness train I suppose.

Well i tried the pain thing last night. Basically I put my legs in an uncomfortable position. It kept me up so I gave up and went to bed. As I sat up i realised it took more strength, because my arms were almost completly numb, possible improvement?

(this is a very good tutorial 5 stars)

Originally Posted by BillyBob

Hey shady.
I realize that you are probably just trying to help, but could you stop posting your ideas about WILD in here? This tutorial is purposefully vague in some areas. I've written it in a way that will allow people to learn the intricacies of WILD through experience.

If you do what I've said in the tutorial. ie.

1. sleep
2. wake
3. relax
4. use anchor
5. fall asleep

Then you can easily have WILDs. Once you have WILDs you will begin to formulate your own ideas about how WILD works/etc. Rather than just listening to our biases and accepting them as total fact (everyone has biases, we're only human).
I don't want to be an ass, but I wrote the tutorial this way for a reason. I've "taught" upwards of twenty people about WILD one on one. So I have some theories on what works and what doesn't.

I just reread this and it sounds pretty dick.
What I meant to say is that this particular tutorial was written in a very specific way to maximize reader's WILDing potential. I omitted all the stuff that wasn't "need to know" so as to allow people to focus on the points that mattered most and not have their head's clouded with relatively useless information.

The way I worded the above quoted post made it sound like I thought your ideas were BS. Thats not what I was trying to get across
I was trying to say that by posting so much information in this thread you were doing exactly what I spent hours editing the tutorial making sure I didn't do: giving people theory.

Theory is good in its own right, but you don't try to teach a preschooler trigonometry before he knows how to add. It'll only confuse him and make it harder for him to do the simple stuff (1+1 -- Actually WILDing).


Besides the thousands of hours that went into getting the information in the tut, I spent about three hours combing over it trying to simplify it as much as possible before I actually posted it.
Sorry if I came off as a dick, its just that its been a very, very long road to get here. This is pretty much the last tutorial I'm ever going to write, and I tried to make it the most useful

Thank you for your understanding.

And this was not meant as a jab. I was actually thanking you for agreeing not to post anymore theory in here

Well thank you BillyBob as this is the first explanaition of anchoring that i have seen here and First i have heard of it (other than visualising).
To use it as the focus and not think about WILDing opened my mind up to the theory.
Looks like a great method. Will keep at it.

Some great ideas popping up in this thread.

Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

you see visualization starts out using will power, to think of certain scenes, but later all it involves is visualization alone (this is because you begin taking in subconscious ideas, and no longer need to make conscious ones), that feeling of shifting awareness to imagination, then your just riding the wind of your mind, I think anyone who is real good at visualization WILDs would agree.

I love the way you put that =) Yes, very much agree.

Originally Posted by transflux

Don't be that excited yet. It will just pass away. The role of any focal point is to keep your intent / waking personality intact. You also need pulling or at least a pushing force. Sleep interruption gives you the push, an elevated power of background theta activity. Visualization is both a pushing and a pulling force but if executed poorly it just rips you apart

Aha, this is what I was getting at with my stuff about "target" and "prodding" except transfulx has the ability to actually make it make sense =P

But we all have a "pushing/pulling force" when we go to sleep normally, do we not? You don't notice it but there's something that pulls us into sleep every night. Of course, the fact that we don't notice it makes it so that we don't normally use it consciously when WILDing... It is, however, possible to do it through "auto-pilot". In other words, instead of a conscious effort to get to sleep through a technique it should be possible to do it "the way you do it every night" (which is a hell of a lot harder once you try to do it consciously, unfortunately =/). Least, thats the way it manifests for me... anyone else got contradictory experiences?

Why does step no. 5 have to be the hardest? At first it seems like an afterthought =P

Originally Posted by BillyBob

Wow, "doublethink?" that made my brain hurt

I makes my brain hurt too.. XD

Thank god I might be able to mainly ditch that theory... and I'd even made a whole thread about it too =O

Originally Posted by BillyBob

That first sentence: Wow, Arby induced an LD during the day using this?

Half of the point of this thread is that "WILD is just the act of falling asleep with a bit of consciousness". During the day, this can be really fucking hard XD

a) you can't really fall asleep easily
b) any time you doze off, its almost always because you weren't paying attention/by accident
c) any sort of physical anchor will likely keep you awake
d) staying conscious will stop you from falling asleep in most cases during the day.

So, in other words, the WILD part is just as easy to pull of during the day as at WBTB time or any time for that matter. Its just a bitch getting to sleep with it. Technically I think any tech could be done during the day like this but VILD is nice because you get that pull towards sleep.

Wheee, applying the theory already. I love it.

Originally Posted by BillyBob

This is pretty much the last tutorial I'm ever going to write, and I tried to make it the most useful

Pfffft. Just wait till your next revelations/ideas and you'll eat those words =P

Last thing billy bob! Its nice dont worry I promise

I do completely understand your teaching 'method', there is no universal technique and there is no universal 'way' to learning. To each his own. And I do recognize your desire to just say "Ok go do it" and leave all the technical mumbo-jumbo out of it.So even though I disagree with the end result; I'll gladly refrain from interfering from here on out.. my goal here is(was) not to annoy/piss you off or confuse members.

I simply had felt as though this idea has been ravaged enough many times in the past; and unfortunately people don't always use the search button. Personal opinion at the end of the day. These are free, open boards and things are never going to be perfect; whatever it takes to get the word out is okay with me I suppose.

Good luck to all, keep the idea's rollin'.