Thread: How to WILD

BillyBob you are amazing. I have always had trouble with WILD's. Today I tried your technique with my fan as an anchor and bam, I had my first wild of the month . I woke up for 10 min, performed a wild, and in 20 min I had my false awakening. I knew it was a dream immediately because my fan was off.

Don't be that excited yet. It will just pass away. The role of any focal point is to keep your intent / waking personality intact. You also need pulling or at least a pushing force. Sleep interruption gives you the push, an elevated power of background theta activity. Visualization is both a pushing and a pulling force but if executed poorly it just rips you apart.

Nothing beats a well conceptualized pulling force. There was a time when I was LDing by protruding my bubble of attention. I just keep pushing inward into the dark until the environment formed around me. You use visualization to give a shape to your intent, to conceptualize your progress toward the state you want to be in.

It ultimately comes down to your willpower and your reservoirs of vital energy, chi, or whatever you would call it. Besides a bunch of other things, vital energy enhances your EEG power, therefore your intent, your ability to visualize, everything. Your brain runs on ions, and having a surplus of them really makes the difference.

As for the focal point, I've found two that really works. It took me years to understand why they really are the best. The first one is the geometric centre of your body. Basically you want to push yourself through that point. The second one is the hiss like noise that comes from the middle of your head. It fluctuates really strong in interrupted sleep and occasionally turns into auditory hallucinations. The best time to WILD.

this Im really gonna test out since I just got my right eyebrow pirced , its going to be my Anchor ;

So in theory instead of using the pain as an anchor I could listen to my loud fan, and wait until I hear it otherwise. Once hearing it different I do a reality check, and should be fine.

(While waiting to hear this is it suggested to just think random thoughtsl, but actaully listening as well? or do i just try to clear head completly and listen?)

thank you, trying to have my first wild

Originally Posted by BillyBob

To the first paragraph:
Those things are all perfectly fine to induce WILDs. They are each anchors that enable you to hold your logic above water as everything else starts to fade. In the post before this one I explain this a bit more in depth . I know I didn't make that clear enough in the main tutorial.

The second paragraph:
Hmm... I'm not quite sure what you mean here. If your talking about making mental images that are so vivid your mind inverts its perception inwards (ie. your mental state changes from focusing on the outside world to the inside one, thus initiating a lucid dream) then I must ask you: why waste so much time? We all already have a simple way to change perceptual states built right into our brains that we initiate every night of our lives.

It is much easier, more efficient, and outright simpler to just use your natural perceptual-switcher rather than attempting to outwit everything your mind was built to defend against. When your trying to work against your mind for LDs you walk a fine line. I did this for about two years... There were several times when I just unexplainably became incapable of WILDing properly.

Yes making mental images that are very vivid is what I mean, well that might seem simple to you but I've laid still for quite a bit, and it is very boring first of all, I know its not supposed to be entertaining, after all you are trying to get to sleep, but what if you want to learn to trance out during the day or after being up for a longer amount of time (WILDs make good lds because your so aware, because you have been up for awhile before entering the dream) Arby pointed out in his tutorial that if you really had the power to visualize and use tactile at very powerful levels that you could trance into a dream upon will at any time. I know it takes along time but the thought interests me a lot, and when I start really getting into visualization practice, when I see it get vivider (as I am beginning to see) then I'll just wait all the time thats needed to make it as vivid as possible, as soon as possible.

Like my goal is not to use WILD as soon as possible, if I want to ld for instance tonight I bet you I could do it at least at a chance of 70-80% (even better if I practice Visualization, then I can DEILD faster and better), if I tried my full combo of methods with the help of a good sleep schedule. But WILD, I have all the time in the world to train for it, I'm not in a hurry, I want to be able to WILD in a way that I can improve it, see my progress straight up, and not have to rely on my sleepiness (I will though in the beginning), plus I'm very interested in my imagination, thats a big part of it.

All in all, visualization can be quite passive for me, you see visualization starts out using will power, to think of certain scenes, but later all it involves is visualization alone (this is because you begin taking in subconscious ideas, and no longer need to make conscious ones), that feeling of shifting awareness to imagination, then your just riding the wind of your mind, I think anyone who is real good at visualization WILDs would agree.

Originally Posted by TripleX223

So in theory instead of using the pain as an anchor I could listen to my loud fan, and wait until I hear it otherwise. Once hearing it different I do a reality check, and should be fine.

(While waiting to hear this is it suggested to just think random thoughtsl, but actaully listening as well? or do i just try to clear head completly and listen?)

thank you, trying to have my first wild

Well if your like 99% of the population; you will either overlook it because it is background noise and fall asleep losing awareness or you will lay in bed concentrating to hard and never fall asleep. The only reason I "hear it differently" is because by this point I'm naturally conditioned to be aware of it. Im checking if its there without even trying to sort of thing.

In theory yes it would work; but unfortunately things are usually not as easy as they sound. Personally I dont hear it "turn off". Its simply that after working on WILDs/LDs so much I subconsciously do these reality checks almost constantly. The goal of the anchor is to give you something to passively observe as you slip off. Having a vivid anchor helps you draw the line; but vivid for me might be completely unnoticeable for you. The best thing you can do is on a night to night basis simply try to remain conscious slightly longer and get a little but further. You will know if your doing something wrong if it takes you more then a few seconds/minutes longer then normal to fall asleep. I am not saying lay in bed waiting for things to happen, just fall asleep normally but try to passively observe whats going on around you and what you feel as it happens (Or even before it happens). I used to make notes of the last thing I remembered before falling asleep such as sensations/level of imagery etc. Anything that stands out.

So many people think remaining aware or focusing on something when falling asleep means you have to sit there thinking about it constantly. Its really not something I focus on but its always in the back of my mind. Ideally I dont "check every 20 seconds" or whatever; its just more of a constant awareness.

You cant just wake up one day and say "Ok I'm going to remain conscious as I fall asleep". Your whole life you've been completely unaware of this phase and its going to take some time to be able to do anything with it. If you manage to passively remain conscious and aware during it the first time you try to WILD; and actually make the transition through to the dream then your amazing. Most people just get a taste of the transition phase and just get to excited and "wake up".

You really have to find the balance for something that works for you, start big and attempt using pain as billybob explained or something. Its really something you have to learn by feel.

*And just an edit to reply to allensig3654 from the post below.. (Since Im here editing spelling anyways )*
I have never had a problem with moving either; moving is no different then burping or swallowing in my opinion. It will only distract you if you make it a big deal.. For me being comfortable means I fall asleep faster and more 'peacefully'. Unfortunately laying like a brick isn't always great if it takes more then a few minutes to fall asleep. In fact for me if I have trouble with my WILD moving is usually the thing that helps me . Obviously that's going to vary for others but.. its defiantly not written in stone that it has a completely negative effect. Congrats on the repeated success though ; you'll get there.

Originally Posted by TripleX223

So in theory instead of using the pain as an anchor I could listen to my loud fan, and wait until I hear it otherwise. Once hearing it different I do a reality check, and should be fine.

(While waiting to hear this is it suggested to just think random thoughtsl, but actaully listening as well? or do i just try to clear head completly and listen?)

thank you, trying to have my first wild

Just did it again this afternoon while listening to my loud fan. I didn't get far, just out of body in my room, but I am proud .

Another thing I noticed was that it is ok to move. I started off reading a book. I then relaxed while visualizing the book in front of me for about 20 min. I then had my gf interrupt me so I turned to my side and lightly focused on my fan. Before I knew it I felt a click in the middle of my forehead and I pulled myself out of body. I looked at my door and realized it was open (it was closed before) This got me too excited and I was pulled back in body and woke up.

Hey shady.
I realize that you are probably just trying to help, but could you stop posting your ideas about WILD in here? This tutorial is purposefully vague in some areas. I've written it in a way that will allow people to learn the intricacies of WILD through experience.

If you do what I've said in the tutorial. ie.

1. sleep
2. wake
3. relax
4. use anchor
5. fall asleep

Then you can easily have WILDs. Once you have WILDs you will begin to formulate your own ideas about how WILD works/etc. Rather than just listening to our biases and accepting them as total fact (everyone has biases, we're only human).
I don't want to be an ass, but I wrote the tutorial this way for a reason. I've "taught" upwards of twenty people about WILD one on one. So I have some theories on what works and what doesn't.

I most defiantly am trying to help; but I will stop posting in the thread from here on out.

Im just tired of seeing multiple tutorials saying the same thing over and over and over; that don't clear up or at least address the actual problems that people are constantly posting about. No one needs another post explaining that WBTBs are important along with some sort of anchor. I can link 50 posts that do that, and that do it better.

I feel like if your going to post a method you should do that. In case you didn't notice there's already a couple threads asking questions about your thread; also claiming this discoveries as new material and really that just showcases how oblivious some people are due the the lack of at least back up information behind many tutorials.

If you would like to post ways for new people to lucid dreaming to fall ass-backward into lucidity without any idea of whats going on; feel free to do so. When it doesn't work for 95% of the people; I (Along with many many others on the forums) will be here to answer the constant flood of questions asking the same question over and over because it is not clarified in the "Guide to lucid dreaming". Your "theory" on the whole evolution doesn't really apply to today, is full of loopholes, and is nothing more then noise that sounds good. It'd be awfully convenient if that hypothetical trait was still in full force millions of years later when conditions have changed exponentially. And not to mention at the end of the day your contradicting yourself by the time you reach the end of the post. If you were more open minded you might understand that monitoring or noticing the pain increasing as you drift off to sleep is no different then thinking about anything else (Which according to you makes it impossible to fall asleep).

[B]You haven't taught described how to lucid dream; you have described how to fall asleep uncomfortably. You have also said this has produced lucid dreams for you. That's about it. The majority of the people who have taken this thread as a "godsend" see it as such because it does the same thing most other tutorials so. It apparently gets you something for nothing; get out of that mindset and you might see some real success in lucid dreaming. The underlying process is incredibly simple yes; executing it is another thing.

Disappointed in you man; was hoping to see some fresh; useful content from an experienced lucid dreamer like yourself. Im sorry for criticizing you for posting the same thing that has been said 500 times before (and at least twice by yourself). If you would like to take the time to point out how this is any different; or how it will help people "better understand the inner-workings of a WILD take the 5 minutes and PM me and I'll gladly delete everything I've said. Until then; keep feeding the obliviousness train I suppose.

Well i tried the pain thing last night. Basically I put my legs in an uncomfortable position. It kept me up so I gave up and went to bed. As I sat up i realised it took more strength, because my arms were almost completly numb, possible improvement?

(this is a very good tutorial 5 stars)

Another wall of text

Originally Posted by arby

The thing that's really got my gears rolling is if there is actually a "mental" block that prevents you from WILDing. You see, WILDing would be contradictory. I had previously thought that staying aware would prevent you from WILDing because in order to WILD you must remain aware/concious. But if you were aware/concious, your mind couldn't delude itself into a dream and you wouldn't become lucid. Of course, if you have one you shouldn't be able to have the other so I explained our ability to WILD by using doublethink. The ability to hold two mutually contradicing beleifs at the same time. Of course, there is no way to conciously use doublethink as the use of doublethink required doublethink to be used on itself thus that was useless XD

Lastly, I'm not the biggest fan of the pain method either. Theres probably a way with more finesse. I'm gonna see what I can come up with in regards to that.... I mean, the criteria is so simple! But a method where you consciously induce it such as the pain method has a slight mental contradiction. You have to do ______ (in this case, pain) in anticipation that it will make you lucid but you have to avoid anticipating.... I'm gonna see if I can find a way around that (its pretty all encompassing, though)

Wow, "doublethink?" that made my brain hurt

There are a plethora of ways to do this WILD without using pain. Pain is just the example I used to show whats going on with the most clarity - you use something constant as an "anchor" for your awareness as you drift into sleep. Dull pain is one of the most 'constant' feelings there are.
Some others that I use occasionally:

• My breathing
• The white noise from an air purifier in my room
• Visualization (walking through a scene)
• The feeling of my body

Like I said earlier, pain probably won't work for everyone, hell, it might not work for many people at all. Each person will just have to find their own target anchor.

Originally Posted by Pastulio_

Great tutorial! I'm definitely trying the pain anchor tonight.

Thanks, come back and tell me how it went

Originally Posted by Halocuber

Thx , this really help

Thank you, I hope it translates into some lucids for you.

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Ok cool.
But what is the difference between people thinking about what they did today and falling asleep to that (as half the population would),
and the WILDers using the same method of imagining scenes etc, as an anchor.
They are both anchoring and falling to sleep, yet the normal sleepers don't go Lucid.
Is the only diff that the WILDers are focusing on one image and not many?
Just a question.

Tonight watch yourself fall asleep. You'll notice that what often happens is you have a mental image/scene pop up into your head, then that scene/image starts shifting around randomly in your mind as you slowly fall asleep.
That is the normal progression into unconsciousness. The anchor is something that is separate from this process, and thus allows you to stay semi-conscious until the process' end (until your in a dream).

Its best not to think about this process when WILDing, just use your anchor as specified in the tutorial.

Originally Posted by Zilverw0lf

Great tutorial

Thanks

Originally Posted by Julius

Lucid Dreaming is a really new field and it's like a puzzle where every day someone brings up a new piece that fits in the picture.
What's really exciting for me is witnessing all the collaborative work done in this community.
Thanks to your contributions one day LDing will become a joyful experience for many more people around the world.
You really are pioneers.

I discovered lucid dreaming about a year ago. I didn't believe it was real, but after some trials I started have firsthand experiences.
Now I investigate this phenomenon methodically and one day I hope to provide some useful insights too.

BillyBob, your tutorial is really food for thought, the anchor part does ring a bell, you really hit a hot-spot. I think this growing discussion will be even more interesting.

Hello and thanks.
Unfortunately we aren't as pioneering as we may seem. Books like Lucid dreaming and Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming have been around for nearly two decades. This community, that has largely forgotten about those that came before us, are just rediscovering things that have been long known.

Originally Posted by Angels with Snipers

yeah i like dream chasers question, the first tutorial i read about wilding was about 8 steps long and involved all sorts of visualizing and then this technique says to just fall asleep and have something to anchor u, as dream chaser said surely half the people if not more that go to sleep should be wilding??

J.x

This tutorial is just all of those tutorials in condensed form. All too often people over complicate WILD. They see it as some unobtainable goal that takes incredible amounts of effort to attain. WILD is simple, all you have to do is fall asleep with a bit of consciousness and you can have them.

Originally Posted by allensig3654

BillyBob you are amazing. I have always had trouble with WILD's. Today I tried your technique with my fan as an anchor and bam, I had my first wild of the month . I woke up for 10 min, performed a wild, and in 20 min I had my false awakening. I knew it was a dream immediately because my fan was off.

Thats excellent, I'm glad I could help.

Originally Posted by transflux

Don't be that excited yet. It will just pass away. The role of any focal point is to keep your intent / waking personality intact. You also need pulling or at least a pushing force. Sleep interruption gives you the push, an elevated power of background theta activity. Visualization is both a pushing and a pulling force but if executed poorly it just rips you apart.

Nothing beats a well conceptualized pulling force. There was a time when I was LDing by protruding my bubble of attention. I just keep pushing inward into the dark until the environment formed around me. You use visualization to give a shape to your intent, to conceptualize your progress toward the state you want to be in.

It ultimately comes down to your willpower and your reservoirs of vital energy, chi, or whatever you would call it. Besides a bunch of other things, vital energy enhances your EEG power, therefore your intent, your ability to visualize, everything. Your brain runs on ions, and having a surplus of them really makes the difference.

As for the focal point, I've found two that really works. It took me years to understand why they really are the best. The first one is the geometric centre of your body. Basically you want to push yourself through that point. The second one is the hiss like noise that comes from the middle of your head. It fluctuates really strong in interrupted sleep and occasionally turns into auditory hallucinations. The best time to WILD.

Hm. Thats very interesting.

Originally Posted by Timpan

this I'm really gonna test out since I just got my right eyebrow pierced , its going to be my Anchor ;

Post what happens in here

Originally Posted by TripleX223

So in theory instead of using the pain as an anchor I could listen to my loud fan, and wait until I hear it otherwise. Once hearing it different I do a reality check, and should be fine.

(While waiting to hear this is it suggested to just think random thoughts, but actually listening as well? or do i just try to clear head completely and listen?)

thank you, trying to have my first wild

Yes, almost anything can be an anchor.
Just let your thoughts flow as your passively listen to the fan.

Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

Arby pointed out in his tutorial that if you really had the power to visualize and use tactile at very powerful levels that you could trance into a dream upon will at any time. I know it takes along time but the thought interests me a lot, and when I start really getting into visualization practice, when I see it get vivider (as I am beginning to see) then I'll just wait all the time thats needed to make it as vivid as possible, as soon as possible.

All in all, visualization can be quite passive for me, you see visualization starts out using will power, to think of certain scenes, but later all it involves is visualization alone (this is because you begin taking in subconscious ideas, and no longer need to make conscious ones), that feeling of shifting awareness to imagination, then your just riding the wind of your mind, I think anyone who is real good at visualization WILDs would agree.

That first sentence: Wow, Arby induced an LD during the day using this? I have never, not once, been able to force a lucid dream. Not via visualizations, or anything. At one point I was image streaming for an hour a day, writing fiction, and even doing "dream yoga" - all very good ways to improve visualization. I was never able to induce any kind of dream by simply seeing a location in detail.
I have used visualization as an anchor on my night time WILDs though, and it has worked (VILD).

Yes, I know what you mean. When WILDing after some sleep you initiate a scene, then just keep it in your minds eye until a dream forms around it.

Originally Posted by allensig3654

Just did it again this afternoon while listening to my loud fan. I didn't get far, just out of body in my room, but I am proud .

Another thing I noticed was that it is ok to move. I started off reading a book. I then relaxed while visualizing the book in front of me for about 20 min. I then had my gf interrupt me so I turned to my side and lightly focused on my fan. Before I knew it I felt a click in the middle of my forehead and I pulled myself out of body. I looked at my door and realized it was open (it was closed before) This got me too excited and I was pulled back in body and woke up.

Oh my god. Twice in one day?

Originally Posted by Shady

I most defiantly am trying to help; but I will stop posting in the thread from here on out.

Im just tired of seeing multiple tutorials saying the same thing over and over and over; that don't clear up or at least address the actual problems that people are constantly posting about. No one needs another post explaining that WBTBs are important along with some sort of anchor. I can link 50 posts that do that, and that do it better.

I feel like if your going to post a method you should do that. In case you didn't notice there's already a couple threads asking questions about your thread; also claiming this discoveries as new material and really that just showcases how oblivious some people are due the the lack of at least back up information behind many tutorials.

If you would like to post ways for new people to lucid dreaming to fall ass-backward into lucidity without any idea of whats going on; feel free to do so. When it doesn't work for 95% of the people; I (Along with many many others on the forums) will be here to answer the constant flood of questions asking the same question over and over because it is not clarified in the "Guide to lucid dreaming". Your "theory" on the whole evolution is nothing more then noise that sounds good. It'd be awfully convenient if that hypothetical trait was still in full force millions of years later when conditions have changed exponentially. And not to mention at the end of the day your contradicting yourself by the time you reach the end of the post. If you were more open minded you might understand that monitoring or noticing the pain increasing as you drift off to sleep is no different then thinking about anything else (Which according to you makes it impossible to fall asleep).

You haven't taught described how to lucid dream; you have described how to fall asleep uncomfortably. You have also said this has produced lucid dreams for you. That's about it. The majority of the people who have taken this thread as a "godsend" see it as such because it does the same thing most other tutorials so. It apparently gets you something for nothing; get out of that mindset and you might see some real success in lucid dreaming. The underlying process is incredibly simple yes; executing it is another thing.

Disappointed in you man; was hoping to see some fresh; useful content from an experienced lucid dreamer like yourself. Im sorry for criticizing you for posting the same thing that has been said 500 times before (and at least twice by yourself). If you would like to take the time to point out how this is any different; or how it will help people "better understand the inner-workings of a WILD take the 5 minutes and PM me and I'll gladly delete everything I've said. Until then; keep feeding the obliviousness train I suppose.

This says it all:

Thanks,
You'll notice that the thread's title is "How to WILD." Not "This is How WILDing Works."
In this tutorial I have supplied the beginner WILDer all the information he or she will need to have lucid dreams via the WILD method. Sure, I could have used 100k words to explain every intricacy of what happens when one goes from waking to dreaming, but I realize that nearly all of the details I know about WILDing are completely biased BS.

The tutorial only contains information that I have tested on individuals other than myself. This includes family members, friends, and yes, DVrs.


Please do not be so quick to judge the work of other people. I have spent four years collecting this information and assembling it in my mind into a simplified theory of WILD. I have spoken to hundreds of people about their WILDing experiences, had almost a thousand WILDs myself, and have even taught people that have never had a WILD to WILD.

I know that the deceptively simplistic nature of this way of WILDing can seem too simple. This is because for the past four years I have waded through all the bullshit and narrowed what is actually necessary to WILD down as far as I can.

Thank you for your understanding.


EDIT:

Originally Posted by TripleX223

Well i tried the pain thing last night. Basically I put my legs in an uncomfortable position. It kept me up so I gave up and went to bed. As I sat up i realised it took more strength, because my arms were almost completly numb, possible improvement?

(this is a very good tutorial 5 stars)

Now that you know high amounts of pain aren't your thing, try something different next time. Like noise, making the room colder than usual, etc. Each person is different, and each will have to experiment with different anchors.

Thanks for the stars

The best WILD I have had, was when i recieved emails on my Blackberry at 4 in the morning, which woke me up with vibrations continuously.

I had another WILD the other day, and I woke up and my hand was under my pillow, numb.

This is interesting

Im going to try the hand under pillow thing again and post how it goes.

Originally Posted by BillyBob

That first sentence: Wow, Arby induced an LD during the day using this? I have never, not once, been able to force a lucid dream. Not via visualizations, or anything. At one point I was image streaming for an hour a day, writing fiction, and even doing "dream yoga" - all very good ways to improve visualization. I was never able to induce any kind of dream by simply seeing a location in detail.
I have used visualization as an anchor on my night time WILDs though, and it has worked (VILD).

Yes, I know what you mean. When WILDing after some sleep you initiate a scene, then just keep it in your minds eye until a dream forms around it.

I never said arby introduced a lucid dream this way, I personally don't know if he did or not, he says " When can this work?, Anywhere and anytime you can totally zone out. Although it will not be nearly as effective or as easy, you could do it sitting on your lazy ass in front of the computer." In his tutorial on VILD. I don't need arby to confirm it though, the human mind can clearly have the ability to hallucinate, as we see in dreams, and it grows like any muscle does, I've seen it.

I have personally been visualizing for over a half a year (on and off, with lots of bad turns), that may sound crazy and I know I stated I am just beginning to see results, but for the longest time I couldn't see a single thing, I can't really describe how good or bad I visualize because it would be biased by too many things, as there is nothing to compare it too. Writing fiction and doing dream yoga doesn't really help pure visualization that much (as I recall dream yoga is taking extreme awareness of the surrounding area your in, and visualization is internal.)

And besides all that, I don't expect to introduce this kind of WILD for a very long time, I wouldn't expect that anyone could do this unless they have been extremely visual, or has spent a very long time practicing.

Originally Posted by BillyBob

Hey shady.
I realize that you are probably just trying to help, but could you stop posting your ideas about WILD in here? This tutorial is purposefully vague in some areas. I've written it in a way that will allow people to learn the intricacies of WILD through experience.

If you do what I've said in the tutorial. ie.

1. sleep
2. wake
3. relax
4. use anchor
5. fall asleep

Then you can easily have WILDs. Once you have WILDs you will begin to formulate your own ideas about how WILD works/etc. Rather than just listening to our biases and accepting them as total fact (everyone has biases, we're only human).
I don't want to be an ass, but I wrote the tutorial this way for a reason. I've "taught" upwards of twenty people about WILD one on one. So I have some theories on what works and what doesn't.

I just reread this and it sounds pretty dick.
What I meant to say is that this particular tutorial was written in a very specific way to maximize reader's WILDing potential. I omitted all the stuff that wasn't "need to know" so as to allow people to focus on the points that mattered most and not have their head's clouded with relatively useless information.

The way I worded the above quoted post made it sound like I thought your ideas were BS. Thats not what I was trying to get across
I was trying to say that by posting so much information in this thread you were doing exactly what I spent hours editing the tutorial making sure I didn't do: giving people theory.

Theory is good in its own right, but you don't try to teach a preschooler trigonometry before he knows how to add. It'll only confuse him and make it harder for him to do the simple stuff (1+1 -- Actually WILDing).


Besides the thousands of hours that went into getting the information in the tut, I spent about three hours combing over it trying to simplify it as much as possible before I actually posted it.
Sorry if I came off as a dick, its just that its been a very, very long road to get here. This is pretty much the last tutorial I'm ever going to write, and I tried to make it the most useful

Thank you for your understanding.

And this was not meant as a jab. I was actually thanking you for agreeing not to post anymore theory in here

Well thank you BillyBob as this is the first explanaition of anchoring that i have seen here and First i have heard of it (other than visualising).
To use it as the focus and not think about WILDing opened my mind up to the theory.
Looks like a great method. Will keep at it.

Some great ideas popping up in this thread.

Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

you see visualization starts out using will power, to think of certain scenes, but later all it involves is visualization alone (this is because you begin taking in subconscious ideas, and no longer need to make conscious ones), that feeling of shifting awareness to imagination, then your just riding the wind of your mind, I think anyone who is real good at visualization WILDs would agree.

I love the way you put that =) Yes, very much agree.

Originally Posted by transflux

Don't be that excited yet. It will just pass away. The role of any focal point is to keep your intent / waking personality intact. You also need pulling or at least a pushing force. Sleep interruption gives you the push, an elevated power of background theta activity. Visualization is both a pushing and a pulling force but if executed poorly it just rips you apart

Aha, this is what I was getting at with my stuff about "target" and "prodding" except transfulx has the ability to actually make it make sense =P

But we all have a "pushing/pulling force" when we go to sleep normally, do we not? You don't notice it but there's something that pulls us into sleep every night. Of course, the fact that we don't notice it makes it so that we don't normally use it consciously when WILDing... It is, however, possible to do it through "auto-pilot". In other words, instead of a conscious effort to get to sleep through a technique it should be possible to do it "the way you do it every night" (which is a hell of a lot harder once you try to do it consciously, unfortunately =/). Least, thats the way it manifests for me... anyone else got contradictory experiences?

Why does step no. 5 have to be the hardest? At first it seems like an afterthought =P

Originally Posted by BillyBob

Wow, "doublethink?" that made my brain hurt

I makes my brain hurt too.. XD

Thank god I might be able to mainly ditch that theory... and I'd even made a whole thread about it too =O

Originally Posted by BillyBob

That first sentence: Wow, Arby induced an LD during the day using this?

Half of the point of this thread is that "WILD is just the act of falling asleep with a bit of consciousness". During the day, this can be really fucking hard XD

a) you can't really fall asleep easily
b) any time you doze off, its almost always because you weren't paying attention/by accident
c) any sort of physical anchor will likely keep you awake
d) staying conscious will stop you from falling asleep in most cases during the day.

So, in other words, the WILD part is just as easy to pull of during the day as at WBTB time or any time for that matter. Its just a bitch getting to sleep with it. Technically I think any tech could be done during the day like this but VILD is nice because you get that pull towards sleep.

Wheee, applying the theory already. I love it.

Originally Posted by BillyBob

This is pretty much the last tutorial I'm ever going to write, and I tried to make it the most useful

Pfffft. Just wait till your next revelations/ideas and you'll eat those words =P

Last thing billy bob! Its nice dont worry I promise

I do completely understand your teaching 'method', there is no universal technique and there is no universal 'way' to learning. To each his own. And I do recognize your desire to just say "Ok go do it" and leave all the technical mumbo-jumbo out of it.So even though I disagree with the end result; I'll gladly refrain from interfering from here on out.. my goal here is(was) not to annoy/piss you off or confuse members.

I simply had felt as though this idea has been ravaged enough many times in the past; and unfortunately people don't always use the search button. Personal opinion at the end of the day. These are free, open boards and things are never going to be perfect; whatever it takes to get the word out is okay with me I suppose.

Good luck to all, keep the idea's rollin'.

I'd like to hear some opinions about this idea that's buggin' me.

When someone posts a "100% success" WILDing tutorial I'm sure it works perfectly for that author... but not for his readers.

We can deduce that he honed and perfected the system through a long process of trial and error and finally arrived at a method that never fails.

You can find many threads like that, but reading the replies, you will always spot only a partial success among the readers.

Why? Partially you can blame it on the differences among people, some are better at visualizing, some are simply "more gifted", etc.
But I think that it doesn't end here.

My idea is that the "long process of trial and error" that the author went through is in fact a long process of conditioning. I think it's a "forgotten" but integral part of his success. He practiced and practiced and so he learned what really worked for him. He conditionend his mind, like an athlete developes his body and skills.

The readers expect succes - and quickly - but almost everyone lacks the conditioning, their mind is not ready and fit, they are not athletes so they can't have succes from day 1 end perhaps even from day 5 or 10.

You can't pretend to become a swimmer just by learning every detail about swimming, you have to stay in a pool for many hours.

Based on my experience, you have to know yourself and your mind to effectively WILD, that's why any of those methods needs more practice than expected.

I'm not at all sure about all this so that's why I'd appreciate some opinions. Perhaps I'm exaggerating.

I arrived to this idea because I was very impressed by something that BillyBob said: he wrote his new tutorial that way using his experience in teaching WILD to twenty men.
There is great value in that. You have to actually try your method on others.

I think that it was a very good idea to leave some vague areas. One has to build his own knowledge. Everyday I acquire this knowledge -- by practicing. Perhaps I'm not special but I achieve a slow and steady progress and think that the errors are an essential part of the ordeal.

Originally Posted by BillyBob

Hello and thanks.
Unfortunately we aren't as pioneering as we may seem. Books like Lucid dreaming and Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming have been around for nearly two decades. This community, that has largely forgotten about those that came before us, are just rediscovering things that have been long known.

Yeah, totally right, and we can go back even more: I'm reading Hervey de Saint-Denys's really interesting book -- two centuries old. And let's not bring up the ancient dream yoga etc.

Still I feel that we are at the tip of the iceberg, it's a field open for many more discoveries. Specifically I think that the induction methods are ready for many improvements, especially the most fascinating and elusive of them all: WILD.

Oh gosh, this was another wall of text!

Thanks Billybob.

Really learnt from that.

would you look at that! another great tutorial by billybob. I havent read it yet () but i will get around to it eventually. thanks bb

Great advice! I had posted something a few weeks ago with a similar message to this, I called it the "Clock tick tock-induced LD" method, where listening to a rhythmic external sound as an "anchor" as you put it, will help you fall asleep "naturally" while still holding to a thread of consciousness.

Just a question: You mention the whole "don't be expecting to enter SP" thing, which I agree with. I was recently thinking about listening to music while attempting a WILD, a soft low rythmic song like "Ladies and Gentlemen We are Floating in Space" by Spiritualized (which is actually the song from Vanilla Sky, at the end, when he's told he's in a LD)

Would listening to light, rhythmic music on an iPod through ear buds as the "anchor" be a good idea? I played with it the other night and it felt like I was slipping into sleep quickly (it wasn't a serious attempt though), but I hadn't slept for over 24 hours. Anyway, great tute and thanks for any reply.

Happy lucid dreaming and god bless!

I would say that the biggest addition in this thread is the word Anchor. And simple generalization of WILD.

Becouse many of us tried different methods of WILD, we start to sense, that every WILD has some relaxation at the beginning and that you should do it at WBTB....

This tutorial brought generalization and that is fine. It is only logical that some questions will arise, {I have questions myself} but when a guide such as this comes, it helps to gain another view and thats what everybody here searches for.

For me, it is really interesting, that this thread is mostly interesting for experienced WILDers, becouse also they are searching for new knowledge to improve their results. So the outcome of this thread for me would be... Even the most experienced WILDers are sometimes not successful and it takes time to achieve at least some success rate. So there is no need for results coming fast, there is only need for practice... And now, everybody sees the right sequence of WILD.

As for what Shady said. The same questions are asked, and the same answers are provided. I would say, people in this forums learn in spirals. Three steps forward, two steps backward. But thats pretty normal for this kind of community. I can clearly recall tutorials that tell the same as this one. But each in different way. So I would say... Thanx Billy for good view on WILD and thx shady for counterargumenting this tutorial. This way everything stays balanced and we may continue to learn.

I would rather someone post a Tut, and even if some of us get one thing out of it, it is worth it.
Imagine if people like BillyBob just didn't bother. Credit where credit is due.
I have learnt about anchoring. And a good technique to TRY.
It may seem similar each Tut, but for some it is their first glimpse of this.

can someone please explain to me the transition, or how you know when youve entered the dream.