Thread: Finally, A 10 second lucid induction! Title -*MFG*

Originally Posted by Lusense

Lol @ the 10 second induction.

Induction usually takes a long time unless you do WBTB and get one of those nights when you wake up I guess I'd call it "heavy on the brain" lol. Part of your brain feels like really activated and when you go back to bed the dream starts almost right away. Those are the best but I noticed they are random alot.

Lol @ you for thinking all inductions take so long. I suppose if someone never seen the moon, that person wouldn't know anything about it.

Originally Posted by Golden Son

I tried this at least 4 times last night on different wake back to beds(some seconds within waking, some minuets, some with bathroom break...etc). The good thing about this you can try it multiple times if you fail.

Please note I have spent the last 6 months visualizing once relaxed at least an hour a day. So it was easy for me to fill the black space between my eye and eyelids with whatever random scenes/images came to mind, and then increase their detail/depth

I however, appear to be the only person who when reaching out to grab the dream world object, end up actually using my physical body! It was quite frustrating seeing the object in such detail, only to reach out with my real hands and wake me up completely, do the nose plug RC, and then try it again only to be woken up fully again.

I honestly believe I would have been better off not trying to grab(and therefore waking myself up) and just slipping into the dream when I saw such detail.

But like I said the good thing is you can try this many different times separately in different wake back to beds. Because of this I awoke on one of the final times and was about to start to try to grab technique when I noticed a strange wisp of ether near my ceiling fan above me. It also had a long string hanging from the light part of it so I tried to pull it to turn the light on because I was startled, but it wouldn't budge, and I failed to realize that this was indeed a false awakening(I had been solely focused on doing the grab technique and THEN reality checking).

So regardless of whether or not it worked for me, it only took one night to try it many times, and it resulted in a false awakening because I was in the habit of waking multiple times to try the technique. I'm just that closer to finding what works best for me, and won't have a FA without RC'ing next time.

If you have any clue malec let me know.

I see you realize that I haven't claimed this to be the easiest method. I would say to try it again until you get it, then you will know what to do next time. It's not like fixing an engine, everyone's mind is different from mine The fact that you have good visualization means this should come easier to you than others.

For other people with questions, I'm sorry that Iif I don't answer them all. As for future projects, I'm working on my visualization WILD, which has given me SP multiple times.....arg. So anyways, I might not post anymore methods down unless it's something that could be somewhat mostly objective like FILD, as in physical movement. Something anyone can do. MFG's con is that people without visualization skills can't use it for squat.

Originally Posted by malac

Lol @ you for thinking all inductions take so long. I suppose if someone never seen the moon, that person wouldn't know anything about it.

I see you realize that I haven't claimed this to be the easiest method. I would say to try it again until you get it, then you will know what to do next time. It's not like fixing an engine, everyone's mind is different from mine The fact that you have good visualization means this should come easier to you than others.

Well honestly after grabbing the air 4+ times in a row and mentally/physically throwing myself from sleep to awake in seconds, I don't think I'll be trying this any more, just too tiresome. I'm going to attempt FILD tonight, it's a lot more subtle - physical sensation wise . And the visualization was not the problem, that was there 100%, its just that my physical body continued to override(even seconds from waking up an attempting, which only takes seconds to fall back asleep). I suppose when I get more comfortable with the differences between my dream body and physical body I will try this again.

For other people with questions, I'm sorry that Iif I don't answer them all. As for future projects, I'm working on my visualization WILD, which has given me SP multiple times.....arg. So anyways, I might not post anymore methods down unless it's something that could be somewhat mostly objective like FILD, as in physical movement. Something anyone can do. MFG's con is that people without visualization skills can't use it for squat.

Like I said visualization is my specialty, and I for one am completely fine with SP, I welcome it. I learned to work with it rather then against it early, and am very comfortable these days with the natural sensations we expierence but so often fight against(they're NATURAL guys!!). If you don't feel like releasing it to the public, please send me the V-WILD technique your working on through PM. Sleep paralysis is one of my gateways into Dream Time.

@Golden Son : When you grab it, is it to the point of high vividness that makes you think of how real it looks? Also about my "V-Wild". I'm not holding it or anything, I just feel like people should create their own version of WILD since its them operating their own mind. When I'm finish with mine, then sure I'll tell you if you want, not top secret or anything Beware of the SP that comes after it...

Originally Posted by malac

@Golden Son : When you grab it, is it to the point of high vividness that makes you think of how real it looks? Also about my "V-Wild". I'm not holding it or anything, I just feel like people should create their own version of WILD since its them operating their own mind. When I'm finish with mine, then sure I'll tell you if you want, not top secret or anything Beware of the SP that comes after it...

malac, you just said we should create our own Wild since we are operating our own minds,
then you say "Beware the SP that comes after it" of your V-Wild (as if what happens to you will happen exactly the same to all of us.)

It sounds contradictory, or did I miss something?

Well SP is fairly universal.

Originally Posted by malac

@Golden Son : When you grab it, is it to the point of high vividness that makes you think of how real it looks? Also about my "V-Wild". I'm not holding it or anything, I just feel like people should create their own version of WILD since its them operating their own mind. When I'm finish with mine, then sure I'll tell you if you want, not top secret or anything Beware of the SP that comes after it...

Originally Posted by tommo

Well SP is fairly universal.

So SP coming after it is common then?

Originally Posted by malac

@Golden Son : When you grab it, is it to the point of high vividness that makes you think of how real it looks?

Yes, like I said my visualization is king, I've taken objects the size of 20 story buildings and broken them down piece by piece in full detail in my mind and traced them back all the way to their original thought where they're an intangible object existing in someones mind. It was full vividness, its just that my physical body continued to override and grab with my real hands waking me up, and nose plug rc proved I wasn't dreaming. That's the only problem, if you fail Grab, it takes its toll, but if you fail FILD you are still relaxed and can try again way more easily. Had my first real lucid last night so will stick to FILD's subtle movement backed by trusty traditional relaxation WILD.

And why do you dislike SP so much? Just train yourself to welcome it dude, like I said it's a natural occurrence. Last night I heard the weirdest shit, felt my bed tilt all the way to its side, and felt my body fall hundreds of feet in 3 separate locations one after another and I was completely calm, I welcomed it. After 5 seconds of strange feeling I was lucid, no biggie! SP is your friend!

Lol SP is laughable and I enjoy it somewhat, but after so many times... oh so many times..it can be a little annoying. As for people who don't like sp because of the old hag or whatever they call it, its all in the head and negative thoughts produce a negative situation. ...Think I just solved the sp annoying prob right now.. People think of scary stuff and it sometimes happen during SP but I instead think of how annoying it is not to move, thus expecting it to happen... Think I'll do it again in a couple minutes after lunch and see what happens.